Alan Jones is a nauseating goblin. Why is everyone focusing on Kyle?
In this guest post, David Gaines, outgoing boss of media agency Maxus, suggests the media business has double standards by focusing on Kyle Sandilands and having less to say about Alan Jones.
The scandal and furore that followed any of Kyle Sandilands hate gaffes this year was evident for all on Mumbrella to see.
Advertisers apparently left in droves (although I suspect not). There was debate and pressure amongst the broader population to remove him from a prime breakfast slot. Some was genuine outrage. Some just public faces knowing that it is necessary to at least appear to find him offensive but wishing they had the same pull.
So with all the huffing and puffing over what a degenerate Sandilands is, what’s with the recent double standards for Alan Jones? Where’s the same coverage of his latest drivel?
In early September he added to his long list of WTF quotes by stating that “Women are destroying the joint…” It was a reference to various females in power. This followed his statement that Julia Gillard, the initial trigger for this tirade, should be dropped off at sea in a sack.
A lady called Jane Caro then sparked an interesting social media backlash stating she was going to come up with new ways of ‘destroying the joint’ and this has manifested itself in an entertaining Facebook page and t-shirt printing exercise. So the broader public have taken his attack and by mocking his own words, turned it into something humorous and probably a more visible reaction.
But where have all the righteous in the media business gone in the face of this chubby little misogynist’s ranting? Spots are still being bought and Alan Jones blatantly uses moan-back radio to further his political views. He may well be just preaching to the converted but also has influence. So doesn’t this make his potential more harmful? His slating of the fairer sex at least aligns in offensiveness with Sandilands ‘fat slag’ comment.
Should either be taken off air? Absolutely not. Should they have better ego editors in place? Quite possibly yes.
Personally I loathe Alan Jones. The way he sounds nauseates me and lately he looks like a constipated wino who looks close to exploding as he moves to the climax of his chosen rant. I worry that I find more coverage of his often bigoted perspectives in media outside of Australian shores. He is the shittiest of ambassadors for this country. And so I choose not to listen to him.
Does that paragraph alone make me as bad as AJ? Maybe but it’s all just content and there’s a good reason to have polarizing varieties of it, be it offensive goblins like Jones or whoever is your palatable voice. It’s the same with music and film. If it all made everyone happy it would be pretty bland and there’d be nothing for the righteous to get righteous about.
So back to us and our unbalanced vitriol. Which is it? Is Sandilands worse? Has Jones been getting away with it for so long people have just given up? Or do we have a lot of Jones sympathizers with shares in 2GB?
Probably some or none of the above. It’s people reacting as consumers rather than as observers of what goes on in media. That’s OK as long as we recognize that when commentating or advising in our roles. The actual themes people got shirty about have genuinely irked them but Sandilands was a topical conduit for reaction and backlash. If he wasn’t, this would have spilled into shock jock content per se.
So maybe what we experienced was fashionable outrage over Sandilands. Fashionable outrage breeds popular criticism. That’s like herd opinions. Everyone agreeing because they think they should without really thinking it through. A bit like an Alan Jones radio audience.
- David Gaines is currently CEO at media agency Maxus, and shortly moves into a new role as managing partner at Edentify.
Gold. Pure gold! Media Watch has been ripping Jones to shreds for quite a while now, but agreed that the general community seem more tolerate to Jones (thank goodness I live in Melbourne and don’t have to have anything to do with him). My only guess as to why he is given a hall pass while Vile Kyle isn’t is because Kyle is a bogan who hosts an FM music show while Jones is a talkback host who is expected to give his opinion over
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I’m not a fan of Kyle or Alan – but I guess the difference is: the general public might deem Kyle’s questioning of a teen girl about her rape experience, as her only sexual experience… as a bit too much to bear, as opposed to some of the regrettable things that Alan has said.
Kyle & Jackie’s show just reeks of sleaze and ‘borderline’ content that is really not suitable for an all ages audience. I’m not a prude by any means, but I can imagine people with primary school kids in the car, would not want K&J’o on the radio, during the am school run.
Also, aren’t our pollies seen as general fodder/easy targets for insults/satire/ridicule? It’s pretty much been that way for as long as I can recall.
Female PM/Male PM – makes no difference… if they’re in the job, we expect them to take the hard knocks – if they can’t handle the rough and tumble of the job, then they shouldn’t be in the job.
That being said, and not being a fan of any current pollies, I acknowledge that JG certainly has the right stuff to deal with whatever s**t gets hurled at her on a daily basis.
And, if that’s what Alan does, and it gets him ratings… then who’s to stop him? Until his audience become so outraged by his behaviour – and launch a petition via change.org etc, nothings going to change.
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Liked your article although I think some of what has been flowing the PMs way, especially from Larry Pickering, is over the top and for some commentators does fall into misogynistic commenting. Whilst I do support public comment and views the problem I always struggle with is the imbalance in the power of the shock jocks. An individual trying to attack what they are saying has an uphill battle. Anyway keep an eye on the “destroy the joint” website we are fighting the good fight.
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That Jones rates at all is a sad comment on the intellect and decency of contemporary society. Everyone is free to listen to what they want but the fact that so many choose to listen to Jones is sad. The man is horrible, his beliefs and attitudes are sick, and his penchant to beat up critics with litigation the hallmark of a rich bully. The reason that vile Kyle gets more criticism than Jones is that revolting as he is he doesn’t feel empowered by divine right.
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are you joking when you say “a lady called Jane Caro” as though you don’t know who she is??? do some research. show some respect.
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Alan Jones is an old disgruntled pig with too much to say, using lies, false stats and bitter words to incite a lynch mob mentality in the minds of other like minded individuals.
When his dodgy lies are revealled he declares he’s not a journalist (who are supposed to check facts) but a broadcaster.
He is a revolting nasty old man who loves the sound of his own voice trumpeting mysogenistic dark age bile.
Derryn Hinch defined a Shock Jock as a person who says things they don’t necessarily believe. On that definition he said he and Alan Jones were not shock jocks ad they both believe
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Alan Jones is an old disgruntled pig with too much to say, using lies, false stats and bitter words to incite a lynch mob mentality in the minds of other like minded individuals.
When his dodgy lies are revealled he declares he’s not a journalist (who are supposed to check facts) but a broadcaster.
He is a revolting nasty old man who loves the sound of his own voice trumpeting mysogenistic dark age bile.
Derryn Hinch defined a Shock Jock as a person who says things they don’t necessarily believe. On that definition he said he and Alan Jones were not shock jocks as they both believe in what they say.
That is the difference between Kyle, who doesn’t try to pretend he has facts or figures to back up his stupidity, and Jones who pretends he’s well informed.
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Interesting column, but David Gaines’ dismissal of Alan Jones’ audience condemns him to the same ‘group think’ category he purports to dislike (that being, ‘anyone who votes conservative is a wanker).
So, in the end, it’s another predictable load of tosh; a mention of Kyle as a vehicle to slam Alan Jones.
Another lemming. Snore.
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Well said, Groucho. It’s a tragedy that so many people follow Alan Jones and hang on his every word. He is totally appalling in every sense of the word. I hate to think what that says about so many Sydneysiders.
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Agreed. Without question.
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Alan Jones would be more at home at a Republican Convention, but people like him will not go away as long as they rate. Stop listening to these idiots!
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I agree with Groucho, Jones is terrible, almost makes your skin crawl. Such ‘power’ in a guy whose role it is to sell advertising. Because really that’s all he does. I just wish he would move on forever. I think he does great damage to really important issues. He no longer reflects the news or reports the new and current affairs, he puts his own very personal stamp on them and he even becomes the news. We are all the poorer for even giving him air-time. The fact he sells a few products is no reason to give him so much oxygen. Go away Mr Jones, go away.
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@sam – way to miss the point of the post on focus on something completely irrelevant
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I described him as ‘a middle of the road fascist’, I think it still fits…
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Brilliant. Jones certainly is the epitome of everything thats putrid in Australia. I have never listened to his show, because, well, I have a job. He is also a hypocrite of the highest order, and a walking irony. I recall fondly his epic fail, the convoy of no consequence which he drummed up in Canberra, a truly sad little man.
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I think you’ll find that the reason Kyle cops more abuse has something to do with the fact that he chose to abuse a News Limited journalist so the media have taken to him with a vengeance.
Most people I know are more offended by Alan Jones than by Kyle Sandilands. Kyle is too ignorant to really be harmful.
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Is this the same Alan Jones who said to SX Magazine:
“Hopefully one day we’ll develop a level of sophistication and decency where we’re not referring to people according to their colour, their sexuality, their whatever. But while that continues, I have very strong concerns about the damage that this does to people.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.a.....6241201111
What a fucking hypocrite this person is.
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Simple. Both are goblins but Kyle’s audience is children who are malleable while Jones is preaching to the choir.
My biggest gripe with Kyle is that he influences music sales heavily and is interested in pulp crap and not art.
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Great Article! I almost cheered.
I also like neither Alan Jones nor Kyle Sandilands, but for some reason can tolerate Kyle more. I think the major issue is that the media have highlighted a couple a fairly bad incidents on the K&J show and to be honest – though I think the death threat aimed at the journo who panned his show was worse than the very uneducated “fat slag” comment – I remember very clearly listening to the segment with the young teenage girl who spoke about her experiences, and believe it was more the fault of the Mother who put the child on the radio station knowing about her experience, and the producers who didn’t cut off the segment as soon as it turned. I truly believe that Sandilands acted more out of his own shock at the turn of events than out of “Shock Value.”
Alan Jones on the other hand is consistently one- note, right-wing and down right offensive. But as you say David most of his haters have just switched off, like you did, and like I did, with only the sympathisers still listening and calling in to fuel the fire.
The real sad thing is how many people in Australian still listen to his appallingly old fashioned and down-right outrageous opinions.
The even sadder thing is that Sandilands who comes from a checkered youth, without a complete education is hounded by the media, when Jones is private school educated an Oxford Graduate and former member of Government staff, is not held more accountable for his appauling “WTF” Comments.
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A reasonable bit of pseudo-academic bloviation until you started referring to his AJ’s appearance. Why is that important? Or do you only feign the outrage when others resort to it? AJ says plenty of stuff that can be refuted. Why not stick to that to make your point mate?
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The amount of anonymous vitriol sloshing around in the giant vat we call social media makes the output of these two look Who-like, as in Horton hears one.
At least we know who they are.
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About time someone twigged to this. You hear as bad or worse things hourly on AM radio than anything Kyle has said, but the righteousness is strangely missing. Almost like it’s expected, so it’s okay.
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Ya gotta love a man like Jones.
Remember how he sailed into the Pollies who demurred at enquiries “I don’t recollect…” ripped right into them.
AND YET…
when quizzd.in the cash-for-comments radio scandal, sniffed imperiously “I don’t read my contracts” – as if it were somehow beneath him to actually know what he was expected to do for Telstra’s two million or Qantas’s similar amount.
If only he HAD read them, he could say “I don’t recall the details”.
I used to say to my wife “you put healthy stuff on your face and in your diet yet you allow this crap into your mind” Her reply was she disliked Jones but thought his Guests were interesting.
Is she alone in that?
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I was writing a response, but my when I start typing about Alan Jones I just see red mist and it just becomes a torrent of abuse.
I’ll just say that completely I agree with you and Groucho
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Totally agree. Although I dont love our PM either I think she deserves a bit more respect and I can’t believe what AJ gets away with. He is racist and sexist and will only listen to people who think he is right. Talkback should allow all opinions but he only seems to allow his own. Media Watch does take him on but I still dont understand why mainstream media just turn a blind eye – especially when he gets it wrong ( look back at a story on refugee payments) and Kyle gets front page of mainstream newspapers for being an idiot.
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Q. What do you get when you cross Alan Jones with Kyle Sandilands?
A. Ray Hadley.
A bully boy bogan hypocrite with a right wing disposition……. and people listen?????
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I like to take advantage of my rights as a taxi passenger and ask every cab driver who has 2GB on the radio subliminally destroying their intellect and narrowing their minds to change channel. That’s really all the difference i can make. However, knowing that Alan Jones continues to broadcast under an ACMA license makes me wonder what the hell ACMA is doing. Time for a little recap courtesy of http://www.abc.net.au/mediawat.....574155.htm
Yvonne: We sat down on a picnic blanket and they kept kicking footballs at us.
AJ: Yep, Well Australia is for all Australians. Isn’t it?
Y: Well it is Alan.
AJ: And there is standard that has to apply and if you don’t meet this standard you should be rounded up.
Y: And if we don’t have enough police what’s wrong with getting the army in?
AJ: Uh-ha.
Y: Get these blokes a bit of a rifle butt in the face and they’ll, they’ll back off, they’re cowards!
AJ: Well if it gets to that we might have to do that, you follow what I’m saying?
Y: Get them out to work Alan. I’ve got 2 blooming jobs, what sort of a mug am I? I’m going out to pay the dole for these people who want to blow me up!
AJ: That’s correct, Excellent point. many people feel that way Yvonne, thankyou for ringing. Plenty of calls, we’re here to 10 o’clock. We’ll get to them.
Maybe the Crimes Act Amendment (Incitement to Violence) Bill 2005 was not in force at the time of the Cronulla Riots, so criminal prosecution couldn’t take place, but the fact this wretched man still has a voice drives me to despair.
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Radio ratings are done by manually filling in pieces of paper where the person is supposedly meant to remember what they listened to. Hence why a lot of the survey panel just write the same show day after day on their paper form.
When recruiting people to be part of the survey panel, a lot of people get turned off by having to fill in manual paperwork. Its typically an older (and more well off, and white) demographic that has the time and inclination to complete an archaic method of surveying radio audiences.
This flawed ratings methodology is one of the reasons why people like AJ’s ratings are higher than what the actual number probably is – because their shows audience equals the survey panel.
Putting it another way – its almost impossible to get young people to fill in manual forms where they have to remember and record what they listened to every day.
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Jeez, don’t get on the wrong side of the Jane Caro fan club.
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Surprised by you media guys.
I’m quite sure that since Alan Jones is Sydney only and I’d imagine broadcasting to an audience largely over 60 that his audience is small and mostly on a pension. So while the pensioner audience seem to be enormously influential to politicians and they pay attention the real influence of Alan Jones in the population at large is really small.
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@Sam Geer, I get the point of the article. I agree with it. I’m pointing out something else. I am capable of focusing on several issues at once. Does David Gaines really not know who Jane Caro is?? I am just waiting for someone to tell me I’ve missed the joke.
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They say a picture says a 1000 words…the picture of Jones on this story sums him up…angry little man, who except for his half mad rabid followers no one takes seriously.
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For the very few that don’t know Jane Caro is a woman with a brain. The sort of woman that Jones hates.
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Nothing wrong with Alan Jones; he calls it how he see it and the same goes for Kyle….
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Sam: unless you were kidding, you’re an idiot. The idea behind that flippant comment was that people who take the time to peruse media websites, such as Mumbrella, generally have assumed knowledge, such as knowing who Jane Caro is.
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david and alan are both able to express their views within the law which is what FREE SPEECH is all about. alan only rates 18% max. this means he appeals? to less than 1 in 5 listeners and not everyone is listening to breakfast radio. I think alan does some good raising issues others won’t or can’t. but I am still inclined to see him as a bigot. who has lost the plot.
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f me, what a load of pinko leftie diatribe we have in this thread….from a bunch of people in one of the most capitalist businesses on earth.
who are the hypocrites here?
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@Anon – I’d happily participate in a paper radio ratings survey… It would give me great pleasure to hand them back a blank form at the end of the week… I stopped listening to radio over a year ago and haven’t missed it for a minute.
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@Evan is that you I hear going tap, tap, tap?
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Go away @Evan. What kind of world do you want to live in??
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For the record, Dave does know who Jane Caro is, because he mentioned her in the article. Not sure how this could have been taken the wrong way, but no harm intended. Now go back and troll somewhere else.
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Lets not forget that Allen Jones and his Gillard bashers are being bankrolled by ex-adman John Singleton, mate of the magnates. He owns 2GB and admits he only employs people who agree with him. 2GB are obsessed with bashing the PM and worse still, bullshitting the battlers for their liberal – and stinking rich – mates. If this industry had any scruples it would mount a boycott of 2GB. Here’s a free end line for them….
2GBullshitting the battlers – for big business mates.
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Irrelevant old wino makes absurd statements to drum up ratings.
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Alan Jones should broadcast in public toilets. Kyle Sandilands is a public toilet.
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@fleshpeddler be careful saying ‘fuck me’ here, someone might. Though with your dopey attitude that may not be a bad thing.
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Anyone that has read Alan Jones’ biography will understand why he is the way he is. Much of his life has been a construction of insecurity and envy. He is largely unhappy with his lot in life and his attitudes to women, republicans, etc is a testament to this. None of this is purely rational. Sad but true.
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‘Nasal’ doesn’t do it for me and ‘ knowsnothing ‘ is equally tedious.
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What Groucho said. Originally and about Jane Caro.
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Credit for sticking your neck out @Rushdie. Singo is definitely the elephant in the (back)room in this discussion.
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‘flashpeddler’ – spot on. They shoot themselves in the foot, the clowns on here. Handbag-wearing socialists. Happy to spout the nonsense, but want to live like a capitalist.
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How’s this? I don’t listen to any radio at all. I have my car radio set so that when changing CDs, I get a crackle instead of some dullard’s ‘opinions’ or a flash of music that has no relevance to me. Radio problem easily fixed. Don’t like what you hear? Turn it off…so much easier (and less painful) than pencils in the ears.
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Why does anyone have to focus on either of these guys? I don’t understand why, in a free and democratic society, we need people railing against one form of opinion vs another. Some people like Jones and Sandilands, some don’t, end of story.
Some people don’t like the opinions of David Marr, Catherine Deveny and Simon Sheikh, and some people don’t like to hear from Lee Rhiannon and Sarah Hanson-Young – why no calls to silence them?
Acting in self-interest is a natural human trait – so what if Jones represents business people, do they not have a right to push their barrow? There’s plenty of self-interest on both sides of the political divide.
Let’s celebrate the fact that we live in a society that allows a broad, divergent range of opinions to flourish. And it’d be really nice if reasoned debate could replace personal insults, no matter ideology – play the ball folks, not the man.
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I do think that there is a difference between Kyle Sandilands and Alan Jones as the former was attacking private individuals. Alan Jones focuses on public figures. His fault is in the sexist way he does this. Criticism of the political actions of women is legitimate. Criticism of them based on gender is not, as is criticism of men in the same way. I did not like the paragraph in the article which criticizes Alan Jones’ appearance. But go for him on his mysogenies!
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Excuse spelling of misogynies in last post.
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What if Australia bands together to contribute money to 2GB to continue running AJ’s show, but without them actually broadcasting it to the public, and not telling him he isn’t actually on air. Then after 1 year the big payoff – it could be revealed to him live on TV that his opinions weren’t actually being listened to by a single person. Absolute gold! Almost like a single-episode reverse Truman show.
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Alan Jones has broadcast the same stuff for 30 years…….right wing views, and some news, sport and gentle laughs that entertain older Australians. I am not a fan, so I don’t listen….that’s as far as it goes. Once you start wanting to decide what other people should and shouldn’t listen to……well that is the real extreme.
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Ant 55…are you 6 years old?
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Alan gets invited to all these protest rallies and trots out lines that if he said them on air at 2GB, would probably have him with more than a few questions to answer. He knows how to play the game, just not very well. Saying that someone should be put in a chaff bag and dropped in the ocean, is insighting violence. He was just ignorant of the news crews who were around to report it. I (eagerly?) await the day when some loose cannon reacts to something Jones has said… I wonder if he would tone down his criticism. I’m all for being a critic, but to be seen to encourage people to violence, that is the last straw.
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Alan Jones, didnt he win a grand prix a few years back? is it the same guy?
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Nick Williams 57
That was actually an Ant.
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psychos like jones and sandilands appeal to the large population of australians who
are psychos every family has several we all know
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AJ and Kyle are extremely human – not everything about them is bad. AJ’s energetic, articulate, powerful, useful – arrogant, nasty, narrow minded. His bigoted rantings have little effect as I don’t listen (my B-P can’t tolerate) but he’s definitely more offensive than Kyle and more dangerous. K is misunderstood…blundering along with no filter and no malice…arking up and saying dumb things – all of which are picked over by the industry vultures (bit players in the media who aren’t unique and aren’t honest). There’s a reason for Kyle’s success – he’s unpredictable and entertaining. He and Jackie are cheerful, ridiculous, fun but underneath kind and generous. They make crazy-bad decisions about content. What irks me is the conformity in the outrage. When it comes down to it people are nuanced and interesting…specially ones who put themselves out there – its up to us to think for ourselves about the effect they’re having,
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Your article is fair enough as opinion, but don’t you think that pointing out the short and fat “chubby” man who is automatically a Misogynist in your opinion because he happened to target certain women and have a negative wish for the prime minister is taking it a bit far? A few years ago he would have been called “baldy” as well, but I guess that ‘s a bit old hat.
A J may well be furnishing his own political view, which would place him in some good company and some bad, but would hardly single him out for censure.
Whatever Jones’ ranting provides or fails to provide, it manages to avoid comparison with KS more often than it aligns with it.
I would never champion A J who I see as an egocentric “on air” opportunist with little care for his audience beyond ratings, but neither would I be eager to support KS who I see as an arrogant and egocentric “on air” opportunist, with little care for his audience beyond ratings.
They are in the same business and to a degree they are playing the same game.
With so many similarities between the two men (age, chubbiness and baldness aside) the puzzle for me is not why you damn Jones, but why you appear so keen to support and promote Sandilands?
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@mediaman 59, no this Alan Jones is certainly not the 1980 Formula 1 Grand Prix Champion.
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I can’t figure out why everyone keeps picking at the same Kyle/AJ sore. The more huffing and puffing about these morons, the more oxygen you’re giving them. There’s a simple solution: stop torturing yourselves and dial up the ABC. Entertaining, informed and unbiased broadcasting and if you go to Classic FM, glorious music. Beats the hell out of Prozac.
There has always been a group of neanderthals in any community that’s keen on witch-burning or riding around in white hoods made out of sheets and generally behaving like idiots. These mud-slingers will in time reveal themselves to be exactly what they are: fearful little men who, like toads, think blowing their vocal chords up to a grotesque degree makes them important. They’ll eventually implode, so don’t torture yourselves by listening to them, or stand so close you get covered in ick when they detonate.
Meanwhile, there’s ABC Classic FM. Ah, beauty.
Alan who?
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Jim and fleshpeddler – I’m with you. What a bunch of tripe on this string!
Both Alan and Kyle – whether you agree with them or not – at least have the guts to raise many social issues and talk about things that everyone else tip-toes around, both to their respective audiences. Sure they over-step the mark from time to time – but don’t be hypocrites, we all do. Open your minds and keep it in perspective – they both do a lot of good stuff as well.
Radio would be boring without them. And if you don’t like it, turn it off!
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Hello Dean, you make some good points, but I think radio would be much much better without them Alan jones took a stance against pokie reform because his boss John Singleton owns hotels in Sydney with pokies, does this make him a credible umpire on mass media?, or yet another bias mouthpiece for people with influence? Does he really know what he is talking about?, or does he say things with such conviction that we just take his word for it.
dont fall for the BS, its about ad revenue and ratings, its just entertainment. AJ can bag Bob Brown all he wants but Bobs working career wasnt confined to a cushy studio.
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Good thing we dont have anyone like that in Melbourne radio!! In fact Melbourne radio is dead. No competition whatsoever. The one person who had an opinion has not had his contract renewed.
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mediaman – i haven’t fallen for the BS. i’m acutely aware of the business they run.
turn your attention to goergie’s comment below – radio is dead in melbourne because they don’t have anyone like these two. that’s a sad state of affairs – wouldn’t you agree?
their (strong) opinions are good, even if they are the mouthpiece for others. you don’t have to agree with them – but they keep us thinking and questioning…. that’s the beauty!
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Georgie, are you referring to Hinch? I think he was an outspoken publicity machine just like the others. At least in Melbourne you have 3RRR and 3PBS- as long as these stations continue- Melbourne radio is alive!!
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Mediaman- 3RRR and 3PBS are not stations that figure in the ratings at any time. It is all about the ratings mate- In Melbourne, it is 3AW for the am dial and Fox FM for the obvious. Has been that way for years. Mitchell starts at 8.30am with one story and when you drive around in your car running errands and turn to 3AW two hours later, it is the same topic. And then these people invite listeners to call in with anything they would like to talk about. They depend on the listening public to provide them with the material to run their show.It is the public that keeps people in their jobs and if no one listened to a particular person, that person would not rate.
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The massive difference between Kyle and Jones is that Jones influences public opinion. And his Coalition bias, combined with the appalling bias in the Australian and the Tele is a real concern. I believe everyone is underestimating the influence Jones and Hadley are having on the battlers – who will be the first victims of a Coalition win.
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Dean has a strong point, but it is the result of turning away from what is wrong with these two fellows and towards what is right about them.
Sure they have strong views and they make people think, but they also get it wrong from time to time and that’s where the strength of a socio political commentator stands. A polemicist or a devil’s advocate needs to be acutely aware of the boundaries and it is the duty of one who also happens to be an “on air” commentator, to avoid such things as inciting a riot or offending large groups of people.
The original article by Mr Gains still looks, to me, like a testimonial for K Sandilands .
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Pondering the differences between Sandilands and Jones has to be the worst way to spend your day imaginable!
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Is it that social media curbs societal advancement? Everyone bangs on and moans about this and that. Do something and things will change. By avoiding both shows you and I alone can’t make a difference, other than being shielded from the nonsense. But if we, all together, avoid them they will be no more. And if we are not enough, then our opinion doesn’t count as the shows will go on… To the masses that seem to enjoy them.
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It may have been a B-grade movie but, I fear the movie ‘idiocracy’ is where society will soon be knowing these two utter-utter sexist, offensive UNintelligent WANKERS are still on air. Or, more to the point…why were they ever chosen?
*sigh*
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Both gents are too extreme for my liking – interesting that both have a captive audience though and plenty of Clients willing to spend money with them
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@Nigel B
Too extreme for your liking is the reason that your right to non participation has been exercised, but for many, the habit of “tuning in” has, like the habit of tobacco or alcohol, taken hold. “Captive audience” may well be 100% correct.
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Gee David Gaines knows how to stir up a controversial topic
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This article should get a bump this morning.
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After last week’s comments from Jones regarding the Julia Gillard’s dad. It’s time for Jones to go. He has past his use date. Do we need any further insights from this guy. There is no defence for what he said. Non. This guy is a waste of space.
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Julia Gillard will play this to the hilt, the sympathy vote is what she depends on!
I’m sure her father was happy to witness her rise to PM.
He would have also witnessed how she stabbed her boss in the back, sucked up to the greens & independents to stay in the lodge, wasted billions of the hard working peoples money, & continues to trash this beautiful country others had built, fought & died for – before he bought his family here.
He may well have been “concerned” about the $250-$300 billions of debt that the Rudd – Gillard government have left our children, grandchildren & their children, to pay back to China, that will take decades.
If he was the good man Julia says he was, I’m sure he would have been silently thoughtful of the wife & 3 lovely daughters of Tony Abbott, who have to endure his daughters persistent nasty, bitter & spiteful attacks on their husband & father.
No one will ever know what private thoughts John Gillard took with him, no doubt he was proud of his daughter, but may well have been “concerned” (but not ashamed) of his daughters lack of the truth.
He would never have told her.
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Alison, go take a flying….you inconsiderate idiot!
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OH DEAR, WE DON’T LIKE THE TRUTH DO WE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT WORD CONCERNED? TRUTH!
ASK JULIA
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR —
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@ Alison do the words sad and bitter resonate? Have you been eating lemons again?
Julia is bad, but Tony’s daughters are lovely?
Some peoples’ truth is sour.
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Alison I would ask that we need to take some time to look at any issue with balance which requires some effort as to acquire balanced knowledge, not just the headlines in the Telegraph.
Alison (not just about her but the many like her) as small example you will find that $50 Billion alone has been committed and wasted by “non Labour governments” on Collins Class Submarines (that don’t work) and Joint Strike Fighter (cannot even get them built due to problems, and had to buy other planes in the meantime). Plenty more facts that can come to the debate for those that are open to discover.
$300 Million so called scary debt. By your passion I assume you don’t have a mortgage, credit card or car lease either as that would be selling off your children’s future.
When will we learn politics is not like football – it is not one team for life. You have to be open minded and dig deeper and debate every issue on its merits. That may or may not then come back to Julia Gillard being “the wrong one” but do the work to get to that conclusion
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And Alison, if only there was even a scintilla of truth in what you wrote then maybe some of us could take your comments seriously. Now toddle off and listen to the bilious rantings of you favourite shock-jock.
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Alison – are you for real or just having us on? Maybe you’re one of Tony Abbot’s daughters? No – I think you are really Alan Jones’ nom de plume!
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Wow – is ‘Alison’ really Alan Jones in disguise (maybe trying to pretend that females would ever agree with his mysoginistic views on the world)???? Your post certainly sounds like the rantings of Mr Jones…..ignorant and filled with venom for the world.
I pity anyone who feels the need to be so hateful. I really do.
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WHAT A SICK LOT.
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Am I allowed to disapprove of both Alan Jones’ sick comment and Julia Gillard’s inept Government?? Let me know, there are a lot of thought police out there….hate to confuse them!
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Alison makes the common mistake of thinking that typing in capital letters will cover any flaws of logic or reason.
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Politics is a sad, pathetic business.
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Kyle gets more hate because more people listen to FM than AM radio. A turd that is in your face everyday is worse than a turd you only kind of hear about from other sources.
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What an irony: so-called defenders of free speech acting like a bullying mob to suppress it. The slandering and censorship against Alan Jones by the chattering & twittering class is as despicable as anything he ever perpetrated. No, actually it’s far worse. Because it’s riven with hypocrisy.
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Earth to James. Earth to James. What planet are you on? Repeat, what planet are you on? It’s called public opinion mate. Get used to it. Pelf ain’t what it used to be.
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Your comments are no different than the comments from Alan Jones. What make you so right?. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If you have the freedom to comment so does he. Keep stirring the the media and political pot Alan!.
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Thou who shall cast the first stone!.
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I agree with James. What Hypocrisy!.
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What a miserable misogynistic turd. A pity someone doesn’t shove a sock down his throat.
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Alan jones [Edited under Mumbrella’s comment moderation policy] should stay home [Edited] other with a cup of tea till you [Edited] towards new zealand .Don’t forget the protection cream to avoid frost Bites an other objects that may feel your way .You will be welcome with hands an arms by the new zealand people for sure ..Maybe you could apply for the assisting All Black boot CLEANER JOB with good quality SOCKS ..an of cause avoid [Edited] ..Thats life ..
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