Comments on: Apparently editors nurture their journalists by telling them it’s okay to get stuff wrong

By: Stilgherrian · Links for 08 November 2009 through 18 November 2009

Stilgherrian · Links for 08 November 2009 through 18 November 2009 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:12:56 +0000

[...] Apparently editors nurture their journalists by telling them it’s okay to get stuff wrong | mU…: One section of Laurel Papworth’s presentation at Media140 Sydney didn’t go down so well at mUmBRELLA… [...]

By: Sarah

Sarah — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:59:18 +0000

Mumbrella takes a fresh angle on reporting the media and marketing news, but It makes me sick to read the comments by a smarmy, arrogant, inner clique of people picking on others in the industry.

It’s unprofessional and there doesn’t appear to be any code of conduct behind it – it’s simply open slather.

Sure, let’s be witty and smart, incisive and critical. Still, is there really a need to turn on the malicious personal commentary? Methinks it says more about the person commenting than it does of the person you throw stones at.

By: Anony

Anony — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:28:32 +0000

Aplet he is also her boyfriend, which is why he defends her every where he goes. Must be a full time job these days

By: aplet

aplet — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:01:01 +0000

As Laurel’s editor @Gary, did you tell her that its OK for her to get her media140 content wrong?

By: aplet

aplet — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:47:50 +0000

Thanks for your bio @Laurel – looks like some great real world experience 10-20 years ago.

By: Gary Hayes

Gary Hayes — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:36:17 +0000

Agreed Jen. I am seriously beginning to pity Tim that, like a school ground bully, he has to pick on Laurel this way. I suspect it's because she has come to represent the social media 'camp' and is an easy target for him. His fascination also borders on stalking in how he picks up on minutiae. But regardless it explains in the end why Laurel and other Australian media sites who understand Social Media, are much higher than Mumbrella in the charts like the AdAge Power 150 marketing and media - they engage with real people and not those role playing inside corporate entities.

By: Jen Bishop

Jen Bishop — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:33:19 +0000

Can’t help but think this is a particularly bitchy backlash over nothing, even for this site!

By: Laurel Papworth

Laurel Papworth — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:19:54 +0000

I’d be unlikely to say that Second Life was dying when in fact it has grown enormously and today has the most active members that it has ever had. Don’t believe everything you read in the Press about virtual worlds being niche – they have huge investments this year and 60 movies are currently in production with major studios based on games and virtual worlds.
Not sure which article in the SMH – sounds more like the presentation I gave at PANPA (the conference for media proprietors in SE Asia/Australia/NZ).

By: Jack

Jack — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:57:02 +0000

Hey Laurel,now that you’ve latched onto Twitter as your gravy train, are you still defending Second Life and pretending it didn’t basically die and turn out to be a huge waste of time, effort and expense for ABC, Dell, Telstra et al, as you once famously tried to do with SMH?

By: Laurel Papworth

Laurel Papworth — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:01:08 +0000

“Does she actually have any real life experience – in a newspaper, as a marketer, client side or agency?”
I based my humorous comment on work I did at both News (in Adelaide) and Fairfax, in the 1980s and 1990s, particularly Fairfax editors, bless ‘em. Also I have worked a handful of agencies since 1993 and my client list can be seen at http://laurelpapworth.com/testimonials/ including working on a project that went on to win an Emmy award in interactive/social media.

“Those that can do, those that can’t teach, and those that can’t teach…”
I teach at the University of Sydney (since 2005) and Australian Film TV Radio School (1 year) on social media. I have run workshops for many industry organisations in Australia and Asia as well as private workshops for global companies. You can find the latest course information on my site.

I would’ve thought research would be a function of a newspaper hack, even an ex one? Though if you only get your information from @Mumbrella …
Thank you for asking,

Laurel @SilkCharm
PS Mumbles, friends of mine are commenting and it’s not being approved. Deliberate or in your spam folder?

By: ArtScience

ArtScience — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:02:44 +0000

As an ex newspaper hack I’m really surprised that Laurel Papworth didn’t get laughed off stage, dragged back on and laughed off again.

Does she actually have any real life experience – in a newspaper, as a marketer, client side or agency?

Those that can do, those that can’t teach, and those that can’t teach, based on this clip, well that’s Laurel Papworths specialty.

By: ron.r

ron.r — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:52:57 +0000

“It’s okay to stuff up”……..bloody hell, I have never met an editor who didn’t have a bowel collapse over a mistake in his/her publication. And, someone was going to pay for it!!!

By: Savaging the bearcubs of Media 140 - mUmBRELLA

Savaging the bearcubs of Media 140 - mUmBRELLA — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:25:52 +0000

[...] We’ve already covered off Laurel Papworth’s unuusal view of what life is like inside a newsroom. [...]

By: mm

mm — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:23:53 +0000

Is she constipated or something? Big picture? There was no picture in that speech just a few poorly placed brush strokes.

By: Bill Posters

Bill Posters — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:42:48 +0000

Laurel, I think the point is coming through loud and clear.

Namely, that you haven’t the faintest what you’re talking about.