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	<title>Comments on: Birds v humans in ambitious Tooheys 5 Seeds cider launch</title>
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		<title>By: Campaign Review of 5Seeds Marketing - Social and Viral Technologies &#124; Will Egan's Web Page</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-20220</link>
		<dc:creator>Campaign Review of 5Seeds Marketing - Social and Viral Technologies &#124; Will Egan's Web Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] saw this campaign when it was first launched thanks to Mumbrella and the Gen Y Marketing Podcast (another of my faves) but didn&#8217;t realise the significance of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] saw this campaign when it was first launched thanks to Mumbrella and the Gen Y Marketing Podcast (another of my faves) but didn&#8217;t realise the significance of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will Egan</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-20219</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!

What a socially engaging and interactive campaign. I really liked the use of the Youtube Annotation features. 

Very impressive, but I found a few problems. Watch my review!

http://bit.ly/Will_egan_video

Cheers,
Will Egan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>What a socially engaging and interactive campaign. I really liked the use of the Youtube Annotation features. </p>
<p>Very impressive, but I found a few problems. Watch my review!</p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/Will_egan_video" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/Will_egan_video</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Will Egan</p>
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		<title>By: BP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Complete rubbish.

Another great example of an overpaid agency, a weak client without a decent brief, and consumer who is has been completely forgotten.
I wouldn&#039;t want to be the brand person who has to show that at a Lion Senior leadership meeting.

Please let me know if anyone decides to actually buy 5 seeds after watching that dribble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complete rubbish.</p>
<p>Another great example of an overpaid agency, a weak client without a decent brief, and consumer who is has been completely forgotten.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t want to be the brand person who has to show that at a Lion Senior leadership meeting.</p>
<p>Please let me know if anyone decides to actually buy 5 seeds after watching that dribble.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry T</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18336</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If birds did indeed eat the apple of knowledge, and assumed the role of dominant species, wouldn&#039;t they be launching mustard gas capsules from ground artillery units on these hapless scavengers? Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If birds did indeed eat the apple of knowledge, and assumed the role of dominant species, wouldn&#8217;t they be launching mustard gas capsules from ground artillery units on these hapless scavengers? Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18210</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t rate the TVC.  More confusing than captivating.  Prefer to change channels or walk out of the room when it&#039;s on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t rate the TVC.  More confusing than captivating.  Prefer to change channels or walk out of the room when it&#8217;s on.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18165</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, this bores me.  I appreciate it in so far as opening people&#039;s minds to different ways of doing things but to me it feels half hearted, pointless and unoriginal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, this bores me.  I appreciate it in so far as opening people&#8217;s minds to different ways of doing things but to me it feels half hearted, pointless and unoriginal.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18154</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the comments above. The overall campaign idea is good and very well produced. The TV work feels really big. The online work however is the bit that spoils the apple cart. It lacks originality (UK police campaign to name just one example on YouTube) and the feed the feral game is a real let down. Applause for a huge effort overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the comments above. The overall campaign idea is good and very well produced. The TV work feels really big. The online work however is the bit that spoils the apple cart. It lacks originality (UK police campaign to name just one example on YouTube) and the feed the feral game is a real let down. Applause for a huge effort overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook is the new killer microsite? &#124; Rogerio&#124;De Paula Assis</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18128</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook is the new killer microsite? &#124; Rogerio&#124;De Paula Assis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Grono</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18126</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tim for telling us upfront it was for cider.   Sorry, I bailed after a few click-throughs when neither my curiousity nor appetite had been whetted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim for telling us upfront it was for cider.   Sorry, I bailed after a few click-throughs when neither my curiousity nor appetite had been whetted.</p>
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		<title>By: Si</title>
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		<dc:creator>Si</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren - Completely agree. I think the execution of this ad is excellent and the use of social networks tools has been well planned with key objectives in mind - far too often you see business using tools / marketing channels for the sake of it without any clear objectives in mind (especially microsites!).

I thought this ad is highly engaging, great to watch and memorable.

Great work all.
Si</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren &#8211; Completely agree. I think the execution of this ad is excellent and the use of social networks tools has been well planned with key objectives in mind &#8211; far too often you see business using tools / marketing channels for the sake of it without any clear objectives in mind (especially microsites!).</p>
<p>I thought this ad is highly engaging, great to watch and memorable.</p>
<p>Great work all.<br />
Si</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18099</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great campaign which I look forward to seeing unfold further.  Kudos to all agencies involved for the successful sell-in, I imagine it was hardwork.

Mike Watkins, your comments about the facebook page are interesting.  I agree that it probably won&#039;t have a huge amount of relevant content in a few months time but does it really need to?

I think it is a really smart move by TED to execute the whole story via facebook rather than from a microsite.  It is cost efficient and also lends itself to organic swell due to the nature of its host (ie a mircosite would have had difficulty gaining the same sort of traction without the &#039;instant&#039; community that facebook provides access to).  I love that finally we have an Australian brand not set on building microsites just for the sake of it.  It is a brilliant example of using web 2.0 facilities for their intended purpose.

Well done - I wish I had a client that was as brave!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great campaign which I look forward to seeing unfold further.  Kudos to all agencies involved for the successful sell-in, I imagine it was hardwork.</p>
<p>Mike Watkins, your comments about the facebook page are interesting.  I agree that it probably won&#8217;t have a huge amount of relevant content in a few months time but does it really need to?</p>
<p>I think it is a really smart move by TED to execute the whole story via facebook rather than from a microsite.  It is cost efficient and also lends itself to organic swell due to the nature of its host (ie a mircosite would have had difficulty gaining the same sort of traction without the &#8216;instant&#8217; community that facebook provides access to).  I love that finally we have an Australian brand not set on building microsites just for the sake of it.  It is a brilliant example of using web 2.0 facilities for their intended purpose.</p>
<p>Well done &#8211; I wish I had a client that was as brave!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys,

Glad some of you enjoyed the ride! It&#039;s certainly been fun for us.

You can follow some of the blogger outreach work by searching twitter for #birdsvshumans

And here, by popular demand, are the hard working soldiers at Holler Sydney. I hope I haven&#039;t forgotten anyone...

Director – Mike Hill
Tim Buesing – Creative Director
Chris Jeffree – Lead Designer
Tony Wild - Copywriter
Claire van Heyningen – Exec Producer
Mic Wernej – Senior Project Manager
Suzette Mackenzie – Senior Account Director
Dom Felton – Junior Account Manager
Matt Kendall – Head of Influencer Marketing
Lukasz Karluk – Interactive Developer
Razif Djamaluddin – Visual Effects Designer
Tim Drew – Senior Flash Developer
Luke Lu – Developer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys,</p>
<p>Glad some of you enjoyed the ride! It&#8217;s certainly been fun for us.</p>
<p>You can follow some of the blogger outreach work by searching twitter for #birdsvshumans</p>
<p>And here, by popular demand, are the hard working soldiers at Holler Sydney. I hope I haven&#8217;t forgotten anyone&#8230;</p>
<p>Director – Mike Hill<br />
Tim Buesing – Creative Director<br />
Chris Jeffree – Lead Designer<br />
Tony Wild &#8211; Copywriter<br />
Claire van Heyningen – Exec Producer<br />
Mic Wernej – Senior Project Manager<br />
Suzette Mackenzie – Senior Account Director<br />
Dom Felton – Junior Account Manager<br />
Matt Kendall – Head of Influencer Marketing<br />
Lukasz Karluk – Interactive Developer<br />
Razif Djamaluddin – Visual Effects Designer<br />
Tim Drew – Senior Flash Developer<br />
Luke Lu – Developer</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Watkins</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18095</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Julian, 

Totally agree with both points, its just that I don&#039;t see the strategy to be really groundbreaking.  

Really keen to know your thoughts on setting up the 5 seeds facebook page as a short term destination for brand activity and engagement.  How much activity do you think will be on the page in 4 months time?  

Will it be stagnant or will Tooheys keep running promotional content through it.  To me pages should act as a long term connection between brands and consumers, going through all the work to gain a decent fan base to only desert them 2 months later seems like both a) a lot of money for a short term gain and b) an underappreciation of consumer sentiment for the brand. 

Given your background, really keen to know what you think! 

MW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Julian, </p>
<p>Totally agree with both points, its just that I don&#8217;t see the strategy to be really groundbreaking.  </p>
<p>Really keen to know your thoughts on setting up the 5 seeds facebook page as a short term destination for brand activity and engagement.  How much activity do you think will be on the page in 4 months time?  </p>
<p>Will it be stagnant or will Tooheys keep running promotional content through it.  To me pages should act as a long term connection between brands and consumers, going through all the work to gain a decent fan base to only desert them 2 months later seems like both a) a lot of money for a short term gain and b) an underappreciation of consumer sentiment for the brand. </p>
<p>Given your background, really keen to know what you think! </p>
<p>MW</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cole</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/birds-v-humans-in-ambitious-tooheys-5-seeds-cider-launch-10318#comment-18089</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tim!

Michael, I think they were smart with the treasure hunt to launch on Facebook. In my opinion Twitter is too niche and running the competition on Facebook allowed more people to get involved. 

Video annotations have been around for awhile and a number of brands have been using them, I do not think you can say they were copying the Police Services. It is kind of like suggesting anyone who uses QR codes is copying Telstra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim!</p>
<p>Michael, I think they were smart with the treasure hunt to launch on Facebook. In my opinion Twitter is too niche and running the competition on Facebook allowed more people to get involved. </p>
<p>Video annotations have been around for awhile and a number of brands have been using them, I do not think you can say they were copying the Police Services. It is kind of like suggesting anyone who uses QR codes is copying Telstra</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now instead of a single 30 second spot, I have to watch several ads. And if I choose the wrong path, I have to waste even more time. Fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now instead of a single 30 second spot, I have to watch several ads. And if I choose the wrong path, I have to waste even more time. Fail.</p>
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