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	<title>Comments on: One month after The Punch&#8217;s launch, Crikey still leads</title>
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		<title>By: Hartigan on old and new media - Pure Poison</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9230</link>
		<dc:creator>Hartigan on old and new media - Pure Poison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the first month&#8217;s stats by mUmBRELLA and Ben Shepherd don&#8217;t seem to support Hartigan&#8217;s enthusiasm about The Punch&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the first month&#8217;s stats by mUmBRELLA and Ben Shepherd don&#8217;t seem to support Hartigan&#8217;s enthusiasm about The Punch&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Here&#8217;s The Punch on numbers</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9216</link>
		<dc:creator>Here&#8217;s The Punch on numbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did a story earlier in the week comparing The Punch to Crikey, but let me stretch that out a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9129</link>
		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

I&#039;m quite tempted to (we have published screengrabs of our analytics previously).

I&#039;m still trying to work out whether it&#039;s worth jumping on board the ABA&#039;s new audit system which is designed for smaller publishers. I will if the others in our space (AdNews, B&amp;T, Campaign Brief, Marketing Mag etc will...)

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite tempted to (we have published screengrabs of our analytics previously).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to work out whether it&#8217;s worth jumping on board the ABA&#8217;s new audit system which is designed for smaller publishers. I will if the others in our space (AdNews, B&#038;T, Campaign Brief, Marketing Mag etc will&#8230;)</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bennett</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9128</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well kids, I think someone has to man up and unload their internal analytics figures. Or everyone provides a trusted third party with a guest login so they can see the topline figures.

The data&#039;s not *that* sensitive. Would you do it, Tim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well kids, I think someone has to man up and unload their internal analytics figures. Or everyone provides a trusted third party with a guest login so they can see the topline figures.</p>
<p>The data&#8217;s not *that* sensitive. Would you do it, Tim?</p>
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		<title>By: jerrys</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9127</link>
		<dc:creator>jerrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the point. For the past decade the big local media companies have approached their online initiatives largely as defensive strategy. Their success is measured by their success in stopping other sites becoming successful. 

thepunch is a waste of everyone&#039;s time in its current format. Crikey lost its clear focus with the revamp and is still a little lost and searching for cohesion as well. 

Still think huffpo is a better format for News. It&#039;s like an inverted imagined version of Murdoch&#039;s Sun with arianna as Murdoch, the page three girls replaced by Bernard-Henri Lévy and Alex Baldwin  and then a pastiche of borrowings thrown against the wall. Amazing she gets away with it but there you go. The Daily Beast is vanity publishing at it&#039;s finest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the point. For the past decade the big local media companies have approached their online initiatives largely as defensive strategy. Their success is measured by their success in stopping other sites becoming successful. </p>
<p>thepunch is a waste of everyone&#8217;s time in its current format. Crikey lost its clear focus with the revamp and is still a little lost and searching for cohesion as well. </p>
<p>Still think huffpo is a better format for News. It&#8217;s like an inverted imagined version of Murdoch&#8217;s Sun with arianna as Murdoch, the page three girls replaced by Bernard-Henri Lévy and Alex Baldwin  and then a pastiche of borrowings thrown against the wall. Amazing she gets away with it but there you go. The Daily Beast is vanity publishing at it&#8217;s finest.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9126</link>
		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

I agree about Alexa, but I&#039;m not sure the site you point to is much better.

Obviosuly I&#039;m only in a position to know about Mumbrella. Sitecompete says we&#039;ve got 5,800 uniques a month. Google Analytics tells me I&#039;ve got well over ten times that number. That makes me doubt I can trust it on other relatively low traffic sites.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>I agree about Alexa, but I&#8217;m not sure the site you point to is much better.</p>
<p>Obviosuly I&#8217;m only in a position to know about Mumbrella. Sitecompete says we&#8217;ve got 5,800 uniques a month. Google Analytics tells me I&#8217;ve got well over ten times that number. That makes me doubt I can trust it on other relatively low traffic sites.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9124</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexa is not a great comparison site. To get an idea about unique visitors, check out...

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/mumbrella.com.au+crikey.com.au+thepunch.com.au/

Both sites are a bit scrappy but fun to watch. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexa is not a great comparison site. To get an idea about unique visitors, check out&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/mumbrella.com.au+crikey.com.au+thepunch.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://siteanalytics.compete.c.....ch.com.au/</a></p>
<p>Both sites are a bit scrappy but fun to watch. <img src='http://mumbrella.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9117</link>
		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jerry S,

Thanks for your comment.

It&#039;s a very fair point that there will be a few tricks in the News Ltd armoury yet, to send them traffic.

But on your first point, I&#039;d argue that comparing Mumbrella to The Punch isn&#039;t sensible because we&#039;re targetting different audiences - effectively Mumbrella is mainly aimed at those working within the media and marketing industry (B2B if you will) and The Punch is aimed at the general public.

That&#039;s not to mention that News Ltd&#039;s investment in creating content for The Punch (editorial team of four or five including @colgo and @penbo sized salaries) may be a tad larger than what we&#039;re spending on Mumbrella (mainly just me).

However, if you were to twist my arm, Alexa points to us being about neck-and-neck for traffic. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mumbrella.com.au+thepunch.com.au

By the way, my guess is that in reality The Punch is ahead of us, and Alexa&#039;s not fully picking it up.

Cheers,

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jerry S,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very fair point that there will be a few tricks in the News Ltd armoury yet, to send them traffic.</p>
<p>But on your first point, I&#8217;d argue that comparing Mumbrella to The Punch isn&#8217;t sensible because we&#8217;re targetting different audiences &#8211; effectively Mumbrella is mainly aimed at those working within the media and marketing industry (B2B if you will) and The Punch is aimed at the general public.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to mention that News Ltd&#8217;s investment in creating content for The Punch (editorial team of four or five including @colgo and @penbo sized salaries) may be a tad larger than what we&#8217;re spending on Mumbrella (mainly just me).</p>
<p>However, if you were to twist my arm, Alexa points to us being about neck-and-neck for traffic. <a href="http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mumbrella.com.au+thepunch.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/.....nch.com.au</a></p>
<p>By the way, my guess is that in reality The Punch is ahead of us, and Alexa&#8217;s not fully picking it up.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: jerrys</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9111</link>
		<dc:creator>jerrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thepunch is to crikey what mumbrella is to thepunch traffic wise at the moment.

thepunch has that big news.com.au engine pushing about half of it&#039;s traffic and they can turn that up and down if they have to and could push pass crikey if they made the effort whatever thats worth.

Its currently like some Op-ed meets morning radio experiment. They will have to up the density huffpo style if they really want to create a destination but that&#039;s probably not its purpose. Defence and roadblocks is the big media companies way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thepunch is to crikey what mumbrella is to thepunch traffic wise at the moment.</p>
<p>thepunch has that big news.com.au engine pushing about half of it&#8217;s traffic and they can turn that up and down if they have to and could push pass crikey if they made the effort whatever thats worth.</p>
<p>Its currently like some Op-ed meets morning radio experiment. They will have to up the density huffpo style if they really want to create a destination but that&#8217;s probably not its purpose. Defence and roadblocks is the big media companies way.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9093</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These results are interesting - I guess time will tell if it can get any more traction. I really like it because it is like a virtual soapbox. Get the e-newsletter and read about four pieces a day. If the topics continue to vary from Tracey Spicer&#039;s take on the apostrophe to climate change and the Iran election, I&#039;ll keep reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These results are interesting &#8211; I guess time will tell if it can get any more traction. I really like it because it is like a virtual soapbox. Get the e-newsletter and read about four pieces a day. If the topics continue to vary from Tracey Spicer&#8217;s take on the apostrophe to climate change and the Iran election, I&#8217;ll keep reading.</p>
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		<title>By: re: turn on</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/crikey-still-ahead-one-month-afetr-the-punchs-launch-7215#comment-9086</link>
		<dc:creator>re: turn on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those not early to adopt social media platforms will eternally play catch-up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those not early to adopt social media platforms will eternally play catch-up</p>
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