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	<title>Comments on: Fairfax does the double at Newspaper of the year, but News Ltd rules digital</title>
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		<title>By: Any excuse for a birthday party - mUmBRELLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Any excuse for a birthday party - mUmBRELLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He told the cheery gathering: &#8220;For your four month anniversary present you get a PANPA Award.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Sands</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Sven - it was a joke...I think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Sven &#8211; it was a joke&#8230;I think</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally find it ironic that I see more innovation online coming out of New Zealand versus Australia around news, sport &amp; entertainment let alone what obviously comes out of Europe and the USA as a result of intense competition and more sophisticated experiences.

The sad reality is that we largely have an oligopoly online which encourages zero innovation in the online space and sadly there is almost no pressure for any innovation from advertisers who should be asking for more. I deliberately don’t put ninemsn in this bucket as they have always seemed to be a simple online reflection of the more ‘sexy’ traditional assets – TV’s and magazine etc and they have largely existed because of default browser settings in Microsoft Internet Explorer and a vague and schizophrenic relationship with Windows Live. (They have little integration with traditional channels, little identity of products / properties, little understanding of engagement, their audiences and importantly the changes transpiring through social media, broadband and mobile etc.) Small case in point - have any of you seriously used the news.com.au and SMH iPhone apps compared to Wall Street Journal etc? They are terrible!

These online properties exist to be monetised so any discussion must raise the issue of advertising and therefore the advertiser’s part in this lack of innovation. As a marketer and advertiser I have always been reluctant to simply purchase display inventory based upon the very tired and old world model of CPM rates and impressions and of course the very old ‘creative ad unit’ designs and their placements on the Australian sites.

It is terrible that in a land of such creative and innovative talent (and opportunities) that we (media organisations, advertisers and the public) simply choose to reduce our online &amp; digital channels to be mere slaves of the traditional TV, radio &amp; print channels which is counterintuitive to shifts in audience behaviours.

I have never understood the thinking behind media organisations who baulk at innovations like Hulu or those who still espouse the ‘cannablisation’ line because their heritage has been print, radio or TV etc. As a media outlet or broadcaster my monetisation opportunity is around engagement with my audiences wherever they are. As an advertiser if you offer me engagement with my audience via the TV (free-to-air or cable) AND live / on-demand online (Hulu) I see this as a plus not a negative. If you offer me an ‘integrated’ cross channel package (print, online and mobile) which combines reach, engagement and conversion then I don’t see a dividing line between the channels – they are supporting each other and exploiting the strengths / weaknesses of each medium. If ratings methodologies haven’t kept pace then I really don’t care.

So, maintaining separate sales teams, separate marketers, separate product development teams and maintaining siloed organisational structures which simply reinforce the channel divide does nothing for me as an advertiser (let alone audiences and consumers). Importantly, all it does is keep restraining the experience, skills and understanding of these media teams and therefore continues to stifle innovation in online media.

P.S. I am glad that new sites like The Punch are being developed and supported but they still seem to be few and far between and very one dimensional channel wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally find it ironic that I see more innovation online coming out of New Zealand versus Australia around news, sport &amp; entertainment let alone what obviously comes out of Europe and the USA as a result of intense competition and more sophisticated experiences.</p>
<p>The sad reality is that we largely have an oligopoly online which encourages zero innovation in the online space and sadly there is almost no pressure for any innovation from advertisers who should be asking for more. I deliberately don’t put ninemsn in this bucket as they have always seemed to be a simple online reflection of the more ‘sexy’ traditional assets – TV’s and magazine etc and they have largely existed because of default browser settings in Microsoft Internet Explorer and a vague and schizophrenic relationship with Windows Live. (They have little integration with traditional channels, little identity of products / properties, little understanding of engagement, their audiences and importantly the changes transpiring through social media, broadband and mobile etc.) Small case in point &#8211; have any of you seriously used the news.com.au and SMH iPhone apps compared to Wall Street Journal etc? They are terrible!</p>
<p>These online properties exist to be monetised so any discussion must raise the issue of advertising and therefore the advertiser’s part in this lack of innovation. As a marketer and advertiser I have always been reluctant to simply purchase display inventory based upon the very tired and old world model of CPM rates and impressions and of course the very old ‘creative ad unit’ designs and their placements on the Australian sites.</p>
<p>It is terrible that in a land of such creative and innovative talent (and opportunities) that we (media organisations, advertisers and the public) simply choose to reduce our online &amp; digital channels to be mere slaves of the traditional TV, radio &amp; print channels which is counterintuitive to shifts in audience behaviours.</p>
<p>I have never understood the thinking behind media organisations who baulk at innovations like Hulu or those who still espouse the ‘cannablisation’ line because their heritage has been print, radio or TV etc. As a media outlet or broadcaster my monetisation opportunity is around engagement with my audiences wherever they are. As an advertiser if you offer me engagement with my audience via the TV (free-to-air or cable) AND live / on-demand online (Hulu) I see this as a plus not a negative. If you offer me an ‘integrated’ cross channel package (print, online and mobile) which combines reach, engagement and conversion then I don’t see a dividing line between the channels – they are supporting each other and exploiting the strengths / weaknesses of each medium. If ratings methodologies haven’t kept pace then I really don’t care.</p>
<p>So, maintaining separate sales teams, separate marketers, separate product development teams and maintaining siloed organisational structures which simply reinforce the channel divide does nothing for me as an advertiser (let alone audiences and consumers). Importantly, all it does is keep restraining the experience, skills and understanding of these media teams and therefore continues to stifle innovation in online media.</p>
<p>P.S. I am glad that new sites like The Punch are being developed and supported but they still seem to be few and far between and very one dimensional channel wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Neerav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neerav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry jack, no high horse here &amp; im not anti-newspaper either, been an SMH subscriber for 11 years

As Tim says &quot;as sites have to be run by a newspaper owner, I suspect it was a somewhat limited category&quot;

So in essence &quot;The Punch&quot; got an award for turning up - last time I checked simply existing shouldn&#039;t be good enough to win an award</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry jack, no high horse here &amp; im not anti-newspaper either, been an SMH subscriber for 11 years</p>
<p>As Tim says &#8220;as sites have to be run by a newspaper owner, I suspect it was a somewhat limited category&#8221;</p>
<p>So in essence &#8220;The Punch&#8221; got an award for turning up &#8211; last time I checked simply existing shouldn&#8217;t be good enough to win an award</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neerav, please climb down from your blogging high horse and re-read the article.

This is not just some award for &quot;print newspaper spinoffs&quot;. The awards are given out at an annual event, the Newspaper of the Year Awards, run by the Pacific Area Newspaper Publishers Association - which means it&#039;s a NEWSPAPER body, and they give awards to NEWSPAPERS – so of course the Web sites which get the awards are associated with newspapers (can you see that connection?) rather than stand-alone Web-only ventures.

Honestly, sometimes I am SO over the Johnny-come-lately bloggers who think they&#039;re so sh*t hot and the world should revolve around online and that anything involving ink on paper is so second-rate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neerav, please climb down from your blogging high horse and re-read the article.</p>
<p>This is not just some award for &#8220;print newspaper spinoffs&#8221;. The awards are given out at an annual event, the Newspaper of the Year Awards, run by the Pacific Area Newspaper Publishers Association &#8211; which means it&#8217;s a NEWSPAPER body, and they give awards to NEWSPAPERS – so of course the Web sites which get the awards are associated with newspapers (can you see that connection?) rather than stand-alone Web-only ventures.</p>
<p>Honestly, sometimes I am SO over the Johnny-come-lately bloggers who think they&#8217;re so sh*t hot and the world should revolve around online and that anything involving ink on paper is so second-rate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Smithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long time industry veterans who attend PANPA events will know, the event is - and always has been - totally staged. That is, awards are handed out in &quot;turns&quot; to the big players. If one side makes a particulatly big spend or marketing push in a ceratin direction, then PANPA will obliges with an award.

Just so things don;t look too fishy, some categories will be &quot;won&quot; two years in a row. But that is always balanced by the other side picking up some of the little prizes.

I was closely connected with the event for many years and can tell you that many &quot;winners&quot; were genuinely stunned at their award since they knew full well that they weren&#039;t putting out the best product.

But that&#039;s not how these things are judged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long time industry veterans who attend PANPA events will know, the event is &#8211; and always has been &#8211; totally staged. That is, awards are handed out in &#8220;turns&#8221; to the big players. If one side makes a particulatly big spend or marketing push in a ceratin direction, then PANPA will obliges with an award.</p>
<p>Just so things don;t look too fishy, some categories will be &#8220;won&#8221; two years in a row. But that is always balanced by the other side picking up some of the little prizes.</p>
<p>I was closely connected with the event for many years and can tell you that many &#8220;winners&#8221; were genuinely stunned at their award since they knew full well that they weren&#8217;t putting out the best product.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not how these things are judged.</p>
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		<title>By: sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the value of whatever John Sands had to say was obscured by his racism. Ugly and surprising in this day and age. And why someone called Marie who seems to work at a charity would support this is beyond me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the value of whatever John Sands had to say was obscured by his racism. Ugly and surprising in this day and age. And why someone called Marie who seems to work at a charity would support this is beyond me</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/fairfax-does-the-double-at-newspaper-of-the-year-but-news-ltd-rules-digital-9388#comment-15195</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can a Filipino get a job at News Ltd? ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: John Sands</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/fairfax-does-the-double-at-newspaper-of-the-year-but-news-ltd-rules-digital-9388#comment-15180</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not totally surprised that News took the digital honours over Fairfax. Last time I walked into a Fairfax office, one of their managers said to me &quot;Come and meet our digital arm&quot;..I was met by a filipino in a trench coat who showed me the most amazing watches that I had ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not totally surprised that News took the digital honours over Fairfax. Last time I walked into a Fairfax office, one of their managers said to me &#8220;Come and meet our digital arm&#8221;..I was met by a filipino in a trench coat who showed me the most amazing watches that I had ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Posters</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/fairfax-does-the-double-at-newspaper-of-the-year-but-news-ltd-rules-digital-9388#comment-15143</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Posters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, an entirely meaningless bauble.</description>
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		<title>By: Neerav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neerav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thx for the clarification Tim

so it&#039;s a &quot;print newspaper spinoff&quot; award which would exclude the real innovators in specialist news like Eureka Report, Business Spectator, New Matilda, Online Opinion and Crikey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thx for the clarification Tim</p>
<p>so it&#8217;s a &#8220;print newspaper spinoff&#8221; award which would exclude the real innovators in specialist news like Eureka Report, Business Spectator, New Matilda, Online Opinion and Crikey</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neerav,

If memory serves, Fairfax&#039;s  Business Day was highly commended in that category. But as sites have to be run by a newspaper owner, I suspect it was a somewhat limited category.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neerav,</p>
<p>If memory serves, Fairfax&#8217;s  Business Day was highly commended in that category. But as sites have to be run by a newspaper owner, I suspect it was a somewhat limited category.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: Neerav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neerav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know who all the nominees for &quot;Specialist news site&quot; were?

The Punch is an OK blog at times, but hardly prizeworthy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know who all the nominees for &#8220;Specialist news site&#8221; were?</p>
<p>The Punch is an OK blog at times, but hardly prizeworthy</p>
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		<title>By: Will the SMH&#8217;s &#8216;See you next year&#8217; promise come good? - mUmBRELLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will the SMH&#8217;s &#8216;See you next year&#8217; promise come good? - mUmBRELLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last night&#8217;s newspaper of the year awards, organised by the Pacific Area Newspaper Publishers [...]</description>
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