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		<title>By: Gagan</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21941</link>
		<dc:creator>Gagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok  i sent that email, I am not in relation with the above PR Victoria as Damian says that is was the same Blogger. 

I am not the PR but yes i want to promote my blog. I just asked Damian if he accept Guest posts and told him about my article. He said the topic is not relevant to his blog and I never disturbed him again. 

I write on my friends blog or other established blogs to get some traffic to mine too but I am not a PR .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok  i sent that email, I am not in relation with the above PR Victoria as Damian says that is was the same Blogger. </p>
<p>I am not the PR but yes i want to promote my blog. I just asked Damian if he accept Guest posts and told him about my article. He said the topic is not relevant to his blog and I never disturbed him again. </p>
<p>I write on my friends blog or other established blogs to get some traffic to mine too but I am not a PR .</p>
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		<title>By: legosity</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21808</link>
		<dc:creator>legosity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe not the best outcome for this particular PR, but she was either doing what she was told to do or simply showing iniaitive - eitherway, just doing her job. 

She may have missed the mark this time, and hopefully has learnt form the experience, but lets face it - there aren&#039;t too many experts in the field as yet, so therefore there aren&#039;t too many good teachers out there either.

We can listen to so called experts like Laurel Papworth who take an overly purist view (read as don&#039;t really understand much about marketing, or much else for that matter) or we can have a go, just like this PR did. 

The blogger acted with integrity in turning down the approach, however hanging her out to dry is a bit rough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe not the best outcome for this particular PR, but she was either doing what she was told to do or simply showing iniaitive &#8211; eitherway, just doing her job. </p>
<p>She may have missed the mark this time, and hopefully has learnt form the experience, but lets face it &#8211; there aren&#8217;t too many experts in the field as yet, so therefore there aren&#8217;t too many good teachers out there either.</p>
<p>We can listen to so called experts like Laurel Papworth who take an overly purist view (read as don&#8217;t really understand much about marketing, or much else for that matter) or we can have a go, just like this PR did. </p>
<p>The blogger acted with integrity in turning down the approach, however hanging her out to dry is a bit rough.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21718</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH SHIT! Bloody PR hacks and their lack of understanding of how bloggers work! Offering to pay them??? Can you belive they would ask that of bloggers who are above that and have so much integrity that they often don&#039;t use their real name! And bloggers are real and write about stuff they know about! or sometimes they dont&#039; know about. And their write about their opinions - blatantly without presenting two sides to an argument and wouldn&#039;t know what the term parenthesis meant because bloggers are better than that! 

Gosh PRs c&#039;mon - we know you probably went to University and had dreams of lobbying governments to change policies or thought you might find yourself at hanging out at the press club with laurie oakes but get real! get with the bloggers - they&#039;re the future of journalism!  didn&#039;t you know???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH SHIT! Bloody PR hacks and their lack of understanding of how bloggers work! Offering to pay them??? Can you belive they would ask that of bloggers who are above that and have so much integrity that they often don&#8217;t use their real name! And bloggers are real and write about stuff they know about! or sometimes they dont&#8217; know about. And their write about their opinions &#8211; blatantly without presenting two sides to an argument and wouldn&#8217;t know what the term parenthesis meant because bloggers are better than that! </p>
<p>Gosh PRs c&#8217;mon &#8211; we know you probably went to University and had dreams of lobbying governments to change policies or thought you might find yourself at hanging out at the press club with laurie oakes but get real! get with the bloggers &#8211; they&#8217;re the future of journalism!  didn&#8217;t you know???</p>
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		<title>By: A Blogger</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21709</link>
		<dc:creator>A Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will write about whatever I bloody well want to and you will not whore me out nor sell me out.  On the other hand, how much are you willing to pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will write about whatever I bloody well want to and you will not whore me out nor sell me out.  On the other hand, how much are you willing to pay?</p>
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		<title>By: Warlach</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21675</link>
		<dc:creator>Warlach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it. Same argument that goes through the bloggers Vs journalism debate - &quot;Some people on the other side are idiots which entitles us all to act like idiots.&quot;

No one&#039;s saying bloggers are the last bastion of trust and righteousness, or calling PR lowly, simply commentating that this particular person didn&#039;t really go about handling this exchange the right way.

For example: if I was a pie maker and wanted to market to Kyle Sandiland&#039;s (lowest common denominator) fans, going around throwing pies in their faces, punching them and telling them I slept with their mothers wouldn&#039;t put them in the wrong but it also wouldn&#039;t imply they were pinnacles of human spirit - all it would prove was that I wasn&#039;t very good at my job...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it. Same argument that goes through the bloggers Vs journalism debate &#8211; &#8220;Some people on the other side are idiots which entitles us all to act like idiots.&#8221;</p>
<p>No one&#8217;s saying bloggers are the last bastion of trust and righteousness, or calling PR lowly, simply commentating that this particular person didn&#8217;t really go about handling this exchange the right way.</p>
<p>For example: if I was a pie maker and wanted to market to Kyle Sandiland&#8217;s (lowest common denominator) fans, going around throwing pies in their faces, punching them and telling them I slept with their mothers wouldn&#8217;t put them in the wrong but it also wouldn&#8217;t imply they were pinnacles of human spirit &#8211; all it would prove was that I wasn&#8217;t very good at my job&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Long time listener, first time caller</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21672</link>
		<dc:creator>Long time listener, first time caller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh bloggers, the last bastions of truth and righteousness. How a lowly PR could consider themselves worthy of publication I just don&#039;t know... If I had a tv, MP3 player or mobile phone for every time a blogger cracked the sads on their blog or  twitterfeed over not being invited to a product launch I would put JB Hi-Fi out of business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh bloggers, the last bastions of truth and righteousness. How a lowly PR could consider themselves worthy of publication I just don&#8217;t know&#8230; If I had a tv, MP3 player or mobile phone for every time a blogger cracked the sads on their blog or  twitterfeed over not being invited to a product launch I would put JB Hi-Fi out of business!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rhodie</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21669</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Rhodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It truly makes me sad to see people do this. That&#039;s simply someone used to traditional PR trying to jam it in to online to see if it will work.

In my four years of doing online PR I have never once approached a blogger with an article and asked them to host it. That&#039;s not what blogs are about. They are personal about personal experiences.

I would have no problem inviting a blogger, vblogger, website editor etc along to an event so that they could experience something themselves or to talk to them about something unique which they would be more than welcome to write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It truly makes me sad to see people do this. That&#8217;s simply someone used to traditional PR trying to jam it in to online to see if it will work.</p>
<p>In my four years of doing online PR I have never once approached a blogger with an article and asked them to host it. That&#8217;s not what blogs are about. They are personal about personal experiences.</p>
<p>I would have no problem inviting a blogger, vblogger, website editor etc along to an event so that they could experience something themselves or to talk to them about something unique which they would be more than welcome to write about.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brian</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21666</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or should I just leave off the 6MB dog profile jpg attachments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or should I just leave off the 6MB dog profile jpg attachments?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brian</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21665</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, what are you trying to say?!!? Is this some sort of veiled attempt to suggest I should take you off my &quot;CC: All Australian Bloggers Email List&quot; for the bi-weekly Mundingburra/Nth Qld Dog Show eight page show preview and review pressa&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, what are you trying to say?!!? Is this some sort of veiled attempt to suggest I should take you off my &#8220;CC: All Australian Bloggers Email List&#8221; for the bi-weekly Mundingburra/Nth Qld Dog Show eight page show preview and review pressa&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Warlach</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21612</link>
		<dc:creator>Warlach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gold.

I agree Victoria should have been open with her &#039;secret&#039; from the beginning, but the whole thing just comes off as feeling dirty.

Would love to know what the blog&#039;s focus is and what she was trying to spruik through it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold.</p>
<p>I agree Victoria should have been open with her &#8216;secret&#8217; from the beginning, but the whole thing just comes off as feeling dirty.</p>
<p>Would love to know what the blog&#8217;s focus is and what she was trying to spruik through it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Bradford</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21606</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and think first and then edit before hitting &quot;submit&quot;... can&#039;t believe the typos I just committed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and think first and then edit before hitting &#8220;submit&#8221;&#8230; can&#8217;t believe the typos I just committed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kruppy</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21605</link>
		<dc:creator>Kruppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers are generally so concerned with their integrity (and rightly so) that they don&#039;t - and often never will - trust unsolicited approaches such as this one.

It doesn&#039;t mean that blog marketing is not possible however, bloggers just need to trust those people wanting to partner their blog. It shows the importance of having a broker like Nuffnang to bridge the relationship gap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers are generally so concerned with their integrity (and rightly so) that they don&#8217;t &#8211; and often never will &#8211; trust unsolicited approaches such as this one.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean that blog marketing is not possible however, bloggers just need to trust those people wanting to partner their blog. It shows the importance of having a broker like Nuffnang to bridge the relationship gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Bradford</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21604</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, no.

Focus is yet again on PR staffers being let loose in an arena they don&#039;t fully understand (and to be be quite frank, I don&#039;t think anyone on iether side of the fence fully understands all of it).

It&#039;s embarrassing to the PR industry when exchanges like this are made public - the onus is on the industry to get it right.

I bet there are more than a few bloggers out there with similar stories to tell, but to square up the ledger a little, consider this:

Approached again today by a persistent blogger seeking a commission from a client for every click through that lead to sale from a review on the blogger&#039;s site. There would be no disclaimer.

So it works in both directions - we say &quot;no&quot; to as many inappropriate &quot;business cases&quot; on behalf of clients as I&#039;m sure bloggers do from ill-advised PR approaches.

Whilst Victoria&#039;s approach didn&#039;t work with Damian, I&#039;d love to here Victoria&#039;s side of the story about how many took the bait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, no.</p>
<p>Focus is yet again on PR staffers being let loose in an arena they don&#8217;t fully understand (and to be be quite frank, I don&#8217;t think anyone on iether side of the fence fully understands all of it).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s embarrassing to the PR industry when exchanges like this are made public &#8211; the onus is on the industry to get it right.</p>
<p>I bet there are more than a few bloggers out there with similar stories to tell, but to square up the ledger a little, consider this:</p>
<p>Approached again today by a persistent blogger seeking a commission from a client for every click through that lead to sale from a review on the blogger&#8217;s site. There would be no disclaimer.</p>
<p>So it works in both directions &#8211; we say &#8220;no&#8221; to as many inappropriate &#8220;business cases&#8221; on behalf of clients as I&#8217;m sure bloggers do from ill-advised PR approaches.</p>
<p>Whilst Victoria&#8217;s approach didn&#8217;t work with Damian, I&#8217;d love to here Victoria&#8217;s side of the story about how many took the bait.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Young</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21601</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of practice gives PR a bad name: 

1. The PR hasn&#039;t read the blog 
2. She&#039;s blantantly trying to use the blog as a vehicle for the clients message and the reason for doing this is the fact that banners don&#039;t work anymore! 
3. No effort to build a relationship/ add value
4. No respect for the blogger or the audience

Annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of practice gives PR a bad name: </p>
<p>1. The PR hasn&#8217;t read the blog<br />
2. She&#8217;s blantantly trying to use the blog as a vehicle for the clients message and the reason for doing this is the fact that banners don&#8217;t work anymore!<br />
3. No effort to build a relationship/ add value<br />
4. No respect for the blogger or the audience</p>
<p>Annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Pearce</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/how-blog-pr-works-12337#comment-21584</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh this is silly. This can&#039;t be true. This almost, sort of, possibly, conceivably implies that public relations professionals are stupid. And that can&#039;t be right as I work in PR and I know! I do, really. 

It is just scandalous that anyone could think such at thing.

And anyway, you wouldn&#039;t want to imply something like that with Karalee Evans around as she&#039;ll have you for toast thank you VERY much: http://justanotherprblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/a-marketers-views-on-pr-what-a-load-of-bollocks/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh this is silly. This can&#8217;t be true. This almost, sort of, possibly, conceivably implies that public relations professionals are stupid. And that can&#8217;t be right as I work in PR and I know! I do, really. </p>
<p>It is just scandalous that anyone could think such at thing.</p>
<p>And anyway, you wouldn&#8217;t want to imply something like that with Karalee Evans around as she&#8217;ll have you for toast thank you VERY much: <a href="http://justanotherprblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/a-marketers-views-on-pr-what-a-load-of-bollocks/" rel="nofollow">http://justanotherprblog.wordp.....-bollocks/</a></p>
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