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	<title>Comments on: Guest post: I am Sir Lancelot and with my Twitter sword I&#8217;ll defend journalism&#8217;s honour</title>
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		<title>By: Sir Lancerspot</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-9221</link>
		<dc:creator>Sir Lancerspot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see that a Twitter sword would be very effective at only 140 characters long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see that a Twitter sword would be very effective at only 140 characters long.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Old'_journo</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-9089</link>
		<dc:creator>'Old'_journo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Sir Lancelot, what a twit you are. I&#039;m one of the &#039;old&#039; journos who just happens to have won a couple of Walkleys along the way, designed and edited my first website 15 years ago, have run a dozen since. But, hey, what would I know. Investigative reporting - who needs it!; skill in interviewing - who needs it!; sub-editing, grammar, article construction - who needs them!. All we need is Twitter, right, and you and the new generation of journalists  - most of whom seem to be deserting you on this issue - will ride gloriously into an ever brightening future.
Like another correspondent, I am amazed you actually said all this in public.
Sadly, it is this kind of thinking that is killing off real journalism. You - and your naive thoughts - are just another very small - but serious - knife in its back. Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Sir Lancelot, what a twit you are. I&#8217;m one of the &#8216;old&#8217; journos who just happens to have won a couple of Walkleys along the way, designed and edited my first website 15 years ago, have run a dozen since. But, hey, what would I know. Investigative reporting &#8211; who needs it!; skill in interviewing &#8211; who needs it!; sub-editing, grammar, article construction &#8211; who needs them!. All we need is Twitter, right, and you and the new generation of journalists  &#8211; most of whom seem to be deserting you on this issue &#8211; will ride gloriously into an ever brightening future.<br />
Like another correspondent, I am amazed you actually said all this in public.<br />
Sadly, it is this kind of thinking that is killing off real journalism. You &#8211; and your naive thoughts &#8211; are just another very small &#8211; but serious &#8211; knife in its back. Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Fisher King</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-9017</link>
		<dc:creator>Fisher King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see that Gen Y gender politics are pretty similar to boomers, but that apart, Twitter&#039;s more likely to pork-sword journalists galloping around on the Internet wearing their iPhone armour than rescue anything.

Of course, it takes a few years of experience and making some painful mistakes to learn that, and not just applying vaseline to head to make it fit through the office doors in the mornings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see that Gen Y gender politics are pretty similar to boomers, but that apart, Twitter&#8217;s more likely to pork-sword journalists galloping around on the Internet wearing their iPhone armour than rescue anything.</p>
<p>Of course, it takes a few years of experience and making some painful mistakes to learn that, and not just applying vaseline to head to make it fit through the office doors in the mornings.</p>
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		<title>By: Charis Palmer</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-9015</link>
		<dc:creator>Charis Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, sounds like Renai has pissed off a few PR types. Guess that means he&#039;s doing his job. 

Using Twitter, Facebook, his iPhone and blog to communicate and build connections doesn&#039;t make Renai some sort of uber-geek that doesn&#039;t follow the principals of so-called &quot;old-fashioned journalism&quot; 

He&#039;s just using whatever mediums are available to him to keep the bastards honest, which is after all what it&#039;s all about. The DM capability of Twitter is just another way for sources to leak information. Let&#039;s not confuse the medium with the message.

The only thing unique about Twitter is that it can add transparency to the conversation between journalists and their sources, businesses and their customers, and anything that adds transparency is good for journalism IMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, sounds like Renai has pissed off a few PR types. Guess that means he&#8217;s doing his job. </p>
<p>Using Twitter, Facebook, his iPhone and blog to communicate and build connections doesn&#8217;t make Renai some sort of uber-geek that doesn&#8217;t follow the principals of so-called &#8220;old-fashioned journalism&#8221; </p>
<p>He&#8217;s just using whatever mediums are available to him to keep the bastards honest, which is after all what it&#8217;s all about. The DM capability of Twitter is just another way for sources to leak information. Let&#8217;s not confuse the medium with the message.</p>
<p>The only thing unique about Twitter is that it can add transparency to the conversation between journalists and their sources, businesses and their customers, and anything that adds transparency is good for journalism IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Lady of the Lake</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-9004</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady of the Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey DWR. I&#039;m not one to go off on a tangent (much) but a few days ago you said:

&gt; At the end of the day great journalism is not about comment it is about facts and &gt; journalists having the contacts to firstly establish the facts and then publish them &gt; without being sued.

&gt; A classic example is the fake email affair now gripping Canberra.

Where was the great journalism? Wasn&#039;t the Daily Telegraph journalist duped? 

Twitter doesn&#039;t mean the death of traditional reporting but it may be a useful information channel. 

The blurring of the lines between &quot;facts&quot; (always a tricky term) and interpretive opinions and refusal to admit fault in only the most extreme cases might be where traditional media started down a slippery slope, no?  Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey DWR. I&#8217;m not one to go off on a tangent (much) but a few days ago you said:</p>
<p>&gt; At the end of the day great journalism is not about comment it is about facts and &gt; journalists having the contacts to firstly establish the facts and then publish them &gt; without being sued.</p>
<p>&gt; A classic example is the fake email affair now gripping Canberra.</p>
<p>Where was the great journalism? Wasn&#8217;t the Daily Telegraph journalist duped? </p>
<p>Twitter doesn&#8217;t mean the death of traditional reporting but it may be a useful information channel. </p>
<p>The blurring of the lines between &#8220;facts&#8221; (always a tricky term) and interpretive opinions and refusal to admit fault in only the most extreme cases might be where traditional media started down a slippery slope, no?  Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Uther</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8993</link>
		<dc:creator>Uther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, since when was tech journalism the last bastion of real journalism?

If &quot;your writer&quot; (as I believe you used to call yourself on your blog) was out there breaking stories about politicians stealing from the people who pay their wages or if you were uncovering deep and dark secrets about companies polluting the land etc then I would applaud your stance - but you write about tech and you are one of the most egotistical journalists I have ever met.

Your reputation in the journalism and pr ciclres isn&#039;t that great because of your ego, your aloof nature and your ability to think you hold some great place in the world..

Twitter isn&#039;t the death of journalism, the death of journalism will come from people believing they are more important than the stories they are writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, since when was tech journalism the last bastion of real journalism?</p>
<p>If &#8220;your writer&#8221; (as I believe you used to call yourself on your blog) was out there breaking stories about politicians stealing from the people who pay their wages or if you were uncovering deep and dark secrets about companies polluting the land etc then I would applaud your stance &#8211; but you write about tech and you are one of the most egotistical journalists I have ever met.</p>
<p>Your reputation in the journalism and pr ciclres isn&#8217;t that great because of your ego, your aloof nature and your ability to think you hold some great place in the world..</p>
<p>Twitter isn&#8217;t the death of journalism, the death of journalism will come from people believing they are more important than the stories they are writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Twitter will renew Journalism &#171; Renai LeMay</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8981</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Twitter will renew Journalism &#171; Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] publishable commentary to a number of Australian media sites. I&#8217;m proud to say that both Mumbrella and Media Hunter published the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] publishable commentary to a number of Australian media sites. I&#8217;m proud to say that both Mumbrella and Media Hunter published the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda Day</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8947</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynda Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Renai, you&#039;re not a 60-something newspaper editor who cannot understand the internet or a chief executive of a television studio who is suing YouTube for re-publishing his TV news clips. But what you *are* is a bit of an egomaniac with a reputation in journalism circles for having a very, very high opinion of yourself as if putting words on paper, or into pixels, makes you smarter than the average person. And buddy... it doesn&#039;t. I can&#039;t believe you actually presented this to people with a straight face. Did anyone laugh out loud?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Renai, you&#8217;re not a 60-something newspaper editor who cannot understand the internet or a chief executive of a television studio who is suing YouTube for re-publishing his TV news clips. But what you *are* is a bit of an egomaniac with a reputation in journalism circles for having a very, very high opinion of yourself as if putting words on paper, or into pixels, makes you smarter than the average person. And buddy&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t. I can&#8217;t believe you actually presented this to people with a straight face. Did anyone laugh out loud?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Haverty</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8909</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Haverty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flattered that someone would use my name to post a comment (#22), but I know I certainly don&#039;t have any proof to back up any of those allegations (and hopefully, my spelling isn&#039;t quite that atrocious). :)  Or could it be the Phantom Hacker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flattered that someone would use my name to post a comment (#22), but I know I certainly don&#8217;t have any proof to back up any of those allegations (and hopefully, my spelling isn&#8217;t quite that atrocious). <img src='http://mumbrella.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Or could it be the Phantom Hacker?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8905</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god. Who listens to DWR anyway? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god. Who listens to DWR anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: RAC</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8891</link>
		<dc:creator>RAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the read.  I enjoyed your take on it.
Don&#039;t let the a&#039;holes get you down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the read.  I enjoyed your take on it.<br />
Don&#8217;t let the a&#8217;holes get you down.</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8890</link>
		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just say - &quot;way to go Jack&quot; - we all know that if Renai is journalism&#039;s knight in shining amour...DWR is her rapist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just say &#8211; &#8220;way to go Jack&#8221; &#8211; we all know that if Renai is journalism&#8217;s knight in shining amour&#8230;DWR is her rapist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8876</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gag, what a pompous loser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gag, what a pompous loser</p>
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		<title>By: Traycii</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8853</link>
		<dc:creator>Traycii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon baby, tell me about how big and strong that sword of yours is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon baby, tell me about how big and strong that sword of yours is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/i-am-sir-lancelot-and-with-my-twitter-sword-ill-defend-journalisms-honour-7001#comment-8848</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DWR: I don&#039;t think you should be preaching about &#039;good old fashioned journalism&#039; when you were the one busted by Media Watch for plagiarizing other people&#039;s work, under your own byline, and then blaming it on some rogue &#039;phantom hacker&#039; when you got caught (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU).

I agree with you that &quot;At the end of the day great journalism is not about comment it is about facts&quot; but it&#039;s even better when they are your own facts and research and stories, not ones you&#039;ve ripped off from hundreds of other journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DWR: I don&#8217;t think you should be preaching about &#8216;good old fashioned journalism&#8217; when you were the one busted by Media Watch for plagiarizing other people&#8217;s work, under your own byline, and then blaming it on some rogue &#8216;phantom hacker&#8217; when you got caught (see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU</a>).</p>
<p>I agree with you that &#8220;At the end of the day great journalism is not about comment it is about facts&#8221; but it&#8217;s even better when they are your own facts and research and stories, not ones you&#8217;ve ripped off from hundreds of other journalists.</p>
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