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		<title>By: Long time listener, first time caller</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/marketing-departments-getting-pushed-in-the-corner-12648#comment-22173</link>
		<dc:creator>Long time listener, first time caller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody puts baby in the corner!</description>
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		<title>By: blind sider</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/marketing-departments-getting-pushed-in-the-corner-12648#comment-22016</link>
		<dc:creator>blind sider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketing Myopia, by Levitt... 

it appears as if the profession has been so myopic that it has failed to practice what it has preached. Each busniess unit must strive to maintain its relevance and be prepared to re-define its raison d&#039;être constantly... failing which, it becomes redundant...

I sense it is back to basics, where Marketing needs to discover and articualte its unique and valuable proposition - not to consumers and agencies, but to CEO&#039;s and Boards... until then competing business units (for budget allocations) will rightly continue asimilaing marketing&#039;s suposed activities under their umbrella

Is Marketing an &#039;activity&#039; or an &#039;attitude&#039;?... if it is an activity, I propose that it is no longer a viable, stand alone business and it  should be incorporated into more &#039;progressive&#039; units.

Bring on the Marketing Fight Back...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketing Myopia, by Levitt&#8230; </p>
<p>it appears as if the profession has been so myopic that it has failed to practice what it has preached. Each busniess unit must strive to maintain its relevance and be prepared to re-define its raison d&#8217;être constantly&#8230; failing which, it becomes redundant&#8230;</p>
<p>I sense it is back to basics, where Marketing needs to discover and articualte its unique and valuable proposition &#8211; not to consumers and agencies, but to CEO&#8217;s and Boards&#8230; until then competing business units (for budget allocations) will rightly continue asimilaing marketing&#8217;s suposed activities under their umbrella</p>
<p>Is Marketing an &#8216;activity&#8217; or an &#8216;attitude&#8217;?&#8230; if it is an activity, I propose that it is no longer a viable, stand alone business and it  should be incorporated into more &#8216;progressive&#8217; units.</p>
<p>Bring on the Marketing Fight Back&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wreden</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/marketing-departments-getting-pushed-in-the-corner-12648#comment-22006</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Wreden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has marketing been marginalized? That&#039;s easy to answer -- what gets cut first when times are tight? If marketing were more critical, it would enjoy more protection during tough times.

A better question to ask is, &quot;Why has marketing been marginalized?&quot; The answer, in my opinion, is that it operates on assumptions that are irrelevant to the rest of the organization.  Ask anyone in customer service what is the firm&#039;s so-called &quot;positioning.&quot; Ask anyone in fulfillment what the &quot;brand personality&quot; is. Even ask someone in accounting what the &quot;brand equity&quot; is.  Chances are, they will not know. If it is not relevant to the rest of the organization or important to the customer, then it shouldn&#039;t be important to marketing. As long as marketing keeps staring at its brand navel it will forever be marginalized. Measurement would go a long way toward at least slowing the slide toward marginalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has marketing been marginalized? That&#8217;s easy to answer &#8212; what gets cut first when times are tight? If marketing were more critical, it would enjoy more protection during tough times.</p>
<p>A better question to ask is, &#8220;Why has marketing been marginalized?&#8221; The answer, in my opinion, is that it operates on assumptions that are irrelevant to the rest of the organization.  Ask anyone in customer service what is the firm&#8217;s so-called &#8220;positioning.&#8221; Ask anyone in fulfillment what the &#8220;brand personality&#8221; is. Even ask someone in accounting what the &#8220;brand equity&#8221; is.  Chances are, they will not know. If it is not relevant to the rest of the organization or important to the customer, then it shouldn&#8217;t be important to marketing. As long as marketing keeps staring at its brand navel it will forever be marginalized. Measurement would go a long way toward at least slowing the slide toward marginalization.</p>
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		<title>By: LIAM</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/marketing-departments-getting-pushed-in-the-corner-12648#comment-21969</link>
		<dc:creator>LIAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  am confused by this.

Why would marketers have moved to this alleged weakened position?

Nothing has fundamentally changed about who does product development, why then would marketing be marginalised to Marcomms?

Marcomms prevails where product sits internationally normally.

I would like to see some data showing this is the case and reasons behind the shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  am confused by this.</p>
<p>Why would marketers have moved to this alleged weakened position?</p>
<p>Nothing has fundamentally changed about who does product development, why then would marketing be marginalised to Marcomms?</p>
<p>Marcomms prevails where product sits internationally normally.</p>
<p>I would like to see some data showing this is the case and reasons behind the shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog post, by Randall Rothenberg over at iab, complements this discussion nicely;

http://is.gd/54ox6

My question is, have marketers been put in this corner by others, or have their own approaches and mindsets painted themselves into this corner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog post, by Randall Rothenberg over at iab, complements this discussion nicely;</p>
<p><a href="http://is.gd/54ox6" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/54ox6</a></p>
<p>My question is, have marketers been put in this corner by others, or have their own approaches and mindsets painted themselves into this corner?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Young</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/marketing-departments-getting-pushed-in-the-corner-12648#comment-21917</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems counter-intuitive that things are trending in this direction when there is an increased need for all functions of business to become more effective at telling their story, listening and engaging. 

Marketing and PR needs to be embedded within all aspects (or departments) of business so that they can add value by enabling effective communication with stakeholders. 

There doesn&#039;t seem to be much evidence to suggest that business leaders in Australia are recognising the need to flatten oragnisational structures to enable more human, transparent and open communications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems counter-intuitive that things are trending in this direction when there is an increased need for all functions of business to become more effective at telling their story, listening and engaging. </p>
<p>Marketing and PR needs to be embedded within all aspects (or departments) of business so that they can add value by enabling effective communication with stakeholders. </p>
<p>There doesn&#8217;t seem to be much evidence to suggest that business leaders in Australia are recognising the need to flatten oragnisational structures to enable more human, transparent and open communications.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Juma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Juma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Communications, when utilized correctly, can benefit the business. In my mind and current practice, it means all facets of corporate communications are handled by the team - advertising, PR, media and marketing. A whole team speaking from one script (8 times out of 10 at the very least)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Communications, when utilized correctly, can benefit the business. In my mind and current practice, it means all facets of corporate communications are handled by the team &#8211; advertising, PR, media and marketing. A whole team speaking from one script (8 times out of 10 at the very least)</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree marketing has been relegated to communications, which ultimately becomes ads and collateral. We all know they are increasingly ineffective tools to achieve business goals. 

Marketers need to step up their skills and  influence business strategy. In my experience working in online businesses, the interaction of audience, reach and distribution strategies with business objectives is critical. But agree, the influence has to happen at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree marketing has been relegated to communications, which ultimately becomes ads and collateral. We all know they are increasingly ineffective tools to achieve business goals. </p>
<p>Marketers need to step up their skills and  influence business strategy. In my experience working in online businesses, the interaction of audience, reach and distribution strategies with business objectives is critical. But agree, the influence has to happen at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Karalee_</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karalee_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with this assertion, and it really is a natural evolution of marketing and communications. It makes sense to ensure you are communicating with all stakeholders (internally and externally) across the board, with brand and business objectives.

The cost benefits of this approach are also significant. Ensuring your PR/ad agencies are aligned, and that all communications (even marketing) come from the one department really does make sense. 

However, I don&#039;t think this means they should be pushed out of the business decision-making...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with this assertion, and it really is a natural evolution of marketing and communications. It makes sense to ensure you are communicating with all stakeholders (internally and externally) across the board, with brand and business objectives.</p>
<p>The cost benefits of this approach are also significant. Ensuring your PR/ad agencies are aligned, and that all communications (even marketing) come from the one department really does make sense. </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think this means they should be pushed out of the business decision-making&#8230;</p>
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