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		<title>By: Mumbrella to run masterclass to lift the lid on the raging media metrics debate - mUmBRELLA</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-agency-worries-grow-over-30-tv-audience-fall-21046#comment-37383</link>
		<dc:creator>Mumbrella to run masterclass to lift the lid on the raging media metrics debate - mUmBRELLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the television industry is bedding in a new panel which for the first time takes in time shifted [...]</description>
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		<title>By: R. MUGOBWE</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-agency-worries-grow-over-30-tv-audience-fall-21046#comment-36902</link>
		<dc:creator>R. MUGOBWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try and buy space next month and see tell me if you are successful. If the ratings are to be believed, it should 30% easier than this time last year. It&#039;s not. When the only thing that is changed is the way that you measure then it&#039;s the measurement that is wrong. Base your buy on last 4 weeks and accept that performance per $$$ may be down but response will still circa the same. 
In  the end we have to stop quibbling about the buy and trust the creative. Because we all now know  how to buy enough eyes to make it work. If we don&#039;t then it&#039;s time to step away; get out of the kitchen or move to Zimbabwe!! Now their is a place where your $ is not worth 1/2$ this year.
Yours Truly 
R. MUGOBWE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try and buy space next month and see tell me if you are successful. If the ratings are to be believed, it should 30% easier than this time last year. It&#8217;s not. When the only thing that is changed is the way that you measure then it&#8217;s the measurement that is wrong. Base your buy on last 4 weeks and accept that performance per $$$ may be down but response will still circa the same.<br />
In  the end we have to stop quibbling about the buy and trust the creative. Because we all now know  how to buy enough eyes to make it work. If we don&#8217;t then it&#8217;s time to step away; get out of the kitchen or move to Zimbabwe!! Now their is a place where your $ is not worth 1/2$ this year.<br />
Yours Truly<br />
R. MUGOBWE</p>
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		<title>By: blind</title>
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		<dc:creator>blind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple - 
(1) demand a randomised sample of all households nationally where all households have equal chance of being selected. establishing &#039;targets&#039; contradicts randomness as a concept and care in &#039;recruiting the panel&#039; highlights this fact - you cannot claim randomness under these conditions, yet still claim you can talk about the &#039;population&#039;
(2) get figures on rejection rates per area - if 30 approaches are made in an area, and only 1 takes it up/meets selection criteria (panel member) - ask why - maybe these 29 approached do not watch FTA/traditional media. if that is the case, the 1 who does take up the offer (selected panel member) cannot be &#039;representative&#039; or drawn from a random sample of the 29 that declined as a portion of the population.
(3) query contra, all lines of comunication with panel members. are all records kept and available for inspection for &#039;x&#039; years? do you have a right of access?
(4) it is proven that there is a bais which operates when one is aware they are being monitored - therefore, does having a &#039;box&#039; increase/decrease the amount of TV that is being watched. What are the viewing habits before/after panel data, is there any follow-up
(5) checking a system does not validate the validity of its existence, it merely supports its framework (once established)
(6) all statistics involve some form of smoke and mirrors, but TV fails in areas of validitty, repeatability, falsifiability and sample selection. However, the data is true for the panel that it monitors (5000 homes) - but whether you can extrapolate this to the population is somewhat doubtful, and very &#039;unscientific&#039;. 

Luckily, media buying is not brain surgery, but it costs more money, so it should be subject to the same, if not better processes. 

cui bono?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple &#8211;<br />
(1) demand a randomised sample of all households nationally where all households have equal chance of being selected. establishing &#8216;targets&#8217; contradicts randomness as a concept and care in &#8216;recruiting the panel&#8217; highlights this fact &#8211; you cannot claim randomness under these conditions, yet still claim you can talk about the &#8216;population&#8217;<br />
(2) get figures on rejection rates per area &#8211; if 30 approaches are made in an area, and only 1 takes it up/meets selection criteria (panel member) &#8211; ask why &#8211; maybe these 29 approached do not watch FTA/traditional media. if that is the case, the 1 who does take up the offer (selected panel member) cannot be &#8216;representative&#8217; or drawn from a random sample of the 29 that declined as a portion of the population.<br />
(3) query contra, all lines of comunication with panel members. are all records kept and available for inspection for &#8216;x&#8217; years? do you have a right of access?<br />
(4) it is proven that there is a bais which operates when one is aware they are being monitored &#8211; therefore, does having a &#8216;box&#8217; increase/decrease the amount of TV that is being watched. What are the viewing habits before/after panel data, is there any follow-up<br />
(5) checking a system does not validate the validity of its existence, it merely supports its framework (once established)<br />
(6) all statistics involve some form of smoke and mirrors, but TV fails in areas of validitty, repeatability, falsifiability and sample selection. However, the data is true for the panel that it monitors (5000 homes) &#8211; but whether you can extrapolate this to the population is somewhat doubtful, and very &#8216;unscientific&#8217;. </p>
<p>Luckily, media buying is not brain surgery, but it costs more money, so it should be subject to the same, if not better processes. </p>
<p>cui bono?</p>
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		<title>By: Return of Nine&#8217;s Underbelly marks start of TV ratings war - mUmBRELLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Return of Nine&#8217;s Underbelly marks start of TV ratings war - mUmBRELLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The strong result for the show may now also shed some light to questions over the fall in viewers this year. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Grono</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-agency-worries-grow-over-30-tv-audience-fall-21046#comment-36216</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adam.   Skepticism is very healthy!

First, the TV panels are actually not based on people - they are based on households (currently only in-home TV viewing is measured).   This makes sense as TVs are (generally) shared devices.   So, all up there are 7+m homes in Australia and the panel is just over 5,000 homes - just under 0.1% of the households.

The sample is random.   There are no &#039;qualifications&#039; (apart from having a TV in the home).   There are no minimum or maximum viewing requirements for example.

The process undertaken is to augment the ABS Census (and inter-censal) data with an &#039;Establishment Survey&#039; (ES).   The ES is conducted as a continuous &#039;wave&#039; by telephone (using random-digit dialling - i.e. we make the &#039;phone number up so it is genuinely random) and conducted on 10 times the panel size - amounting to a survey of some 50,000 homes a year (it may be lower as the ES ratio in the regional areas may be lower - I can&#039;t recall) into things that the ABS doesn&#039;t collect that affect TV viewing.   This includes things like number of working TVs, digital vs analogue, DVRs, household composition etc.

This then allows the statisticans to &#039;segment&#039; Australi geographically, and within each geographic segment design the &quot;target sample&quot;.   That is, how would you allocate the households if you had a blank sheet of paper.   This results in a rather large matrix of &quot;targets&quot;.   For example, in Sydney you would end up with targets by region (e.g.the northern region etc.), targets for no. of TVs (1 TV, 2 TV and 3+ TV), targets for presence of  Subscription TV, targets for PVR homes, targets by houshold composition (e.g. single-person households vs large family households) and so on.

The panel is monitored daily and kept in balance against these targets.   For example, a home may drop out of the panel and the statistician would look at the next &#039;ideal&#039; home to balance the panel.   This may result in a recruitment target of a 3-person home, with 2 TVs, digital, with a PVR, GB Under 55 that lives in Hornsby.   The recruiters then go back to that &quot;pool&quot; of people from the ES and search for a home that matches the requirements - the home is then contacted and invited to join the panel.

So, how do we know that they aren&#039;t in the garden etc?

There are a sophisticated set of edit rules that inspect both the TV tuning as well as the individual viewing every day.   This is inspected both as daily data and as trended data.   For example, if we notice a TV set on for (say) 10 straight hours without any channel change it is a pretty safe bet that it was left on inadvertently with no-one watching - so that home is removed for that day.   The people are asked to push a button on the PeopleMeter remote whenever they are in the room and the TV is on - so we can inspect that data stream as well.   So, if we saw a person logged in for 10 straight hours they would be removed as well.   We also notice things like people being inadvertently logged in on 2 TVs at the same time - in this case we would &quot;log out&quot; the original TV when we noticed the second log in.

But how do we know that they ARE pushing the buttons?   When you inspect the data across time, we look for people that suddenly stopped watching TV.   This could indicate that they have got bored of button pushing, but in the majority of circumstances it normally expained by them being on vacation, having left the home, or having acquired a new TV that they do their viewing on.   These scenarios are checked out by telephoning the home and where necessary installing meters on the new TV.

Further, when a home is contacted we ask about who was watching when the call was made - which people and which TVs, and which programme were they watching.   This can then be checked against the meter records the following day.   These checks are rolled up into one big study twice a year - and pleasingly 90+% of the time the buttons records accord with the telephone records.   Of the remaining few percentage points that are different, it is most often because the &#039;channel attribution&#039; is incorrect.   The person on the &#039;phone may say that they were watching Today Tonight on Channel 9 (even though it is on Seven).   They may say they are watching Grand Designs on ABC when they are watching it on the Lifestyle Channel etc.

I know I have banged on a lot - but have merely scraped the surface.

The message is that a LOT of time, care and resources are put behind designing the sample, recruiting the panel, monitoring it daily, and then monitoring the data-streams.   You could say that the system is even skeptical of itself with all the checks done!

If you have any further questions I will happily take them by email - jgrono@bigpond.net.au.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adam.   Skepticism is very healthy!</p>
<p>First, the TV panels are actually not based on people &#8211; they are based on households (currently only in-home TV viewing is measured).   This makes sense as TVs are (generally) shared devices.   So, all up there are 7+m homes in Australia and the panel is just over 5,000 homes &#8211; just under 0.1% of the households.</p>
<p>The sample is random.   There are no &#8216;qualifications&#8217; (apart from having a TV in the home).   There are no minimum or maximum viewing requirements for example.</p>
<p>The process undertaken is to augment the ABS Census (and inter-censal) data with an &#8216;Establishment Survey&#8217; (ES).   The ES is conducted as a continuous &#8216;wave&#8217; by telephone (using random-digit dialling &#8211; i.e. we make the &#8216;phone number up so it is genuinely random) and conducted on 10 times the panel size &#8211; amounting to a survey of some 50,000 homes a year (it may be lower as the ES ratio in the regional areas may be lower &#8211; I can&#8217;t recall) into things that the ABS doesn&#8217;t collect that affect TV viewing.   This includes things like number of working TVs, digital vs analogue, DVRs, household composition etc.</p>
<p>This then allows the statisticans to &#8216;segment&#8217; Australi geographically, and within each geographic segment design the &#8220;target sample&#8221;.   That is, how would you allocate the households if you had a blank sheet of paper.   This results in a rather large matrix of &#8220;targets&#8221;.   For example, in Sydney you would end up with targets by region (e.g.the northern region etc.), targets for no. of TVs (1 TV, 2 TV and 3+ TV), targets for presence of  Subscription TV, targets for PVR homes, targets by houshold composition (e.g. single-person households vs large family households) and so on.</p>
<p>The panel is monitored daily and kept in balance against these targets.   For example, a home may drop out of the panel and the statistician would look at the next &#8216;ideal&#8217; home to balance the panel.   This may result in a recruitment target of a 3-person home, with 2 TVs, digital, with a PVR, GB Under 55 that lives in Hornsby.   The recruiters then go back to that &#8220;pool&#8221; of people from the ES and search for a home that matches the requirements &#8211; the home is then contacted and invited to join the panel.</p>
<p>So, how do we know that they aren&#8217;t in the garden etc?</p>
<p>There are a sophisticated set of edit rules that inspect both the TV tuning as well as the individual viewing every day.   This is inspected both as daily data and as trended data.   For example, if we notice a TV set on for (say) 10 straight hours without any channel change it is a pretty safe bet that it was left on inadvertently with no-one watching &#8211; so that home is removed for that day.   The people are asked to push a button on the PeopleMeter remote whenever they are in the room and the TV is on &#8211; so we can inspect that data stream as well.   So, if we saw a person logged in for 10 straight hours they would be removed as well.   We also notice things like people being inadvertently logged in on 2 TVs at the same time &#8211; in this case we would &#8220;log out&#8221; the original TV when we noticed the second log in.</p>
<p>But how do we know that they ARE pushing the buttons?   When you inspect the data across time, we look for people that suddenly stopped watching TV.   This could indicate that they have got bored of button pushing, but in the majority of circumstances it normally expained by them being on vacation, having left the home, or having acquired a new TV that they do their viewing on.   These scenarios are checked out by telephoning the home and where necessary installing meters on the new TV.</p>
<p>Further, when a home is contacted we ask about who was watching when the call was made &#8211; which people and which TVs, and which programme were they watching.   This can then be checked against the meter records the following day.   These checks are rolled up into one big study twice a year &#8211; and pleasingly 90+% of the time the buttons records accord with the telephone records.   Of the remaining few percentage points that are different, it is most often because the &#8216;channel attribution&#8217; is incorrect.   The person on the &#8216;phone may say that they were watching Today Tonight on Channel 9 (even though it is on Seven).   They may say they are watching Grand Designs on ABC when they are watching it on the Lifestyle Channel etc.</p>
<p>I know I have banged on a lot &#8211; but have merely scraped the surface.</p>
<p>The message is that a LOT of time, care and resources are put behind designing the sample, recruiting the panel, monitoring it daily, and then monitoring the data-streams.   You could say that the system is even skeptical of itself with all the checks done!</p>
<p>If you have any further questions I will happily take them by email &#8211; <a href="mailto:jgrono@bigpond.net.au">jgrono@bigpond.net.au</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will butt in again...  

The Australian population is approaching 22 million.  How many people and how are they qualified to be on the panel?  If this has been covered before, please point me to the article.

I want to get my ahead around this.  I am a big believer in accurate measurement, however will admit that I am skeptical of the stats that are provided about TV viewings.

How do you know if the TV is on but every member of the household is in the garden, or down the beach..?

regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will butt in again&#8230;  </p>
<p>The Australian population is approaching 22 million.  How many people and how are they qualified to be on the panel?  If this has been covered before, please point me to the article.</p>
<p>I want to get my ahead around this.  I am a big believer in accurate measurement, however will admit that I am skeptical of the stats that are provided about TV viewings.</p>
<p>How do you know if the TV is on but every member of the household is in the garden, or down the beach..?</p>
<p>regards</p>
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		<title>By: John Grono</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Grono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Researcher, the old PeopleMeters couldn&#039;t measure time-shifted viewing (TSV).   The panel consists of three types of meters (i) analogue meters for analogue-only homes (which work based on the frequency of the channel tuned) (ii) digital meters for digital homes - but without a PVR (which work by matching the channel banner when you tune a digital channel), and (iii) UniTAM meters for PVR homes (which work on audio matching back to a master &quot;reference signal&quot; for every second of every day for every channel broadcast).

The phasing issue you raise is very true - we do have a step change as OzTAM were very clear in pointing out during all their numerous educational workshops.   The ideal situation would have been to introduce them earlier when penetration was lower - but the rate of increase in PVR penetration was faster than any pundits predictions that I saw.   The option of &#039;phasing-in&#039; is a tricky one.   What it means is that during the phase-in period the panel is no longer &quot;live-only&quot; and neither would it have represented the PVR universe - it would have been somewhere in between ... neither one thing nor the other, which is far from ideal. 

And yes, different meters can and do produce different raw data.   In my experience the &#039;change-line&#039; data differences are generally small and generally relate to how quickly the meter recognises a channel change.   That is, if a person is surfing and flicking through a channel every second or so, do we &quot;credit&quot; that 1 second of viewing, or do we use a &#039;rule of dominance&#039; (the most seconds in the minute wins), a &#039;rule of the median&#039; (use the middle second of the minute), a &#039;rule of persistence&#039; (credit the channel after, say. 15 seconds of consecutive viewing).

Parallel runs on the test-panel were done by OzTAM prior to the TSV change-over.  Of course, no-one expected &quot;the same ratings numbers&quot; because the whole point of the (very expensive) exercise was to include the PVR homes which have different viewing habits.   The parallel run data at the macro level met with broad expectations.

As Researcher says, you don&#039;t just change a quarter of the panel overnight (with the valid objective of more closely reflecting the TV viewing population) and not expect change from what we were seeing the same time lst year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Researcher, the old PeopleMeters couldn&#8217;t measure time-shifted viewing (TSV).   The panel consists of three types of meters (i) analogue meters for analogue-only homes (which work based on the frequency of the channel tuned) (ii) digital meters for digital homes &#8211; but without a PVR (which work by matching the channel banner when you tune a digital channel), and (iii) UniTAM meters for PVR homes (which work on audio matching back to a master &#8220;reference signal&#8221; for every second of every day for every channel broadcast).</p>
<p>The phasing issue you raise is very true &#8211; we do have a step change as OzTAM were very clear in pointing out during all their numerous educational workshops.   The ideal situation would have been to introduce them earlier when penetration was lower &#8211; but the rate of increase in PVR penetration was faster than any pundits predictions that I saw.   The option of &#8216;phasing-in&#8217; is a tricky one.   What it means is that during the phase-in period the panel is no longer &#8220;live-only&#8221; and neither would it have represented the PVR universe &#8211; it would have been somewhere in between &#8230; neither one thing nor the other, which is far from ideal. </p>
<p>And yes, different meters can and do produce different raw data.   In my experience the &#8216;change-line&#8217; data differences are generally small and generally relate to how quickly the meter recognises a channel change.   That is, if a person is surfing and flicking through a channel every second or so, do we &#8220;credit&#8221; that 1 second of viewing, or do we use a &#8216;rule of dominance&#8217; (the most seconds in the minute wins), a &#8216;rule of the median&#8217; (use the middle second of the minute), a &#8216;rule of persistence&#8217; (credit the channel after, say. 15 seconds of consecutive viewing).</p>
<p>Parallel runs on the test-panel were done by OzTAM prior to the TSV change-over.  Of course, no-one expected &#8220;the same ratings numbers&#8221; because the whole point of the (very expensive) exercise was to include the PVR homes which have different viewing habits.   The parallel run data at the macro level met with broad expectations.</p>
<p>As Researcher says, you don&#8217;t just change a quarter of the panel overnight (with the valid objective of more closely reflecting the TV viewing population) and not expect change from what we were seeing the same time lst year.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Grono

Yes and a very good point too.  Love your work - it makes sense now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John Grono</p>
<p>Yes and a very good point too.  Love your work &#8211; it makes sense now <img src='http://mumbrella.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-agency-worries-grow-over-30-tv-audience-fall-21046#comment-35993</link>
		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great thread. I am just sorry it has taken me so long to find it.

I assume the old peoplemeters were not capable of measuring PVRs. I also assume Oztam have just stumped up the cash to get with the times and bought some of the new Nielsen Unitam meters.

The problem is, by not phasing the meters in as the proportion of households owning PVRs grew, you are left with a large step change in the data when you change 25% of the panel in one foul swoop. Even if the panel changes were like for like you would see data changes when you remove and add that many new panel mebers. It is obvious that PVR ownership is a predicator for differing viewer behaviour to &quot;live only&quot; households.

The other thing is and this is one that people are less comfortable with, but is true. I don&#039;t care if Mr Grono confirms or not. If you have the same panel measured at the same time using the two different peoplemeters (even for &quot;live only&quot;) they will produce different results. For whatever reason the meters will produce different data when measuring the same viewing. It is odd but true.

So in this case you have 25% change in panel membership, 25% of panel using new meters and 25% of the panel using PVRs. Unfortunately it is impossible to say which is driving the change. Some parallel testing would have helped explain the differences. Assuming the research supplier has done this to the level required is often remiss.

Unfortunately for our friends hawking online advertising this has nothing to do with that. Nice try though, as John Grono alludes to, the issues with online measurement make these problems look insignificant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great thread. I am just sorry it has taken me so long to find it.</p>
<p>I assume the old peoplemeters were not capable of measuring PVRs. I also assume Oztam have just stumped up the cash to get with the times and bought some of the new Nielsen Unitam meters.</p>
<p>The problem is, by not phasing the meters in as the proportion of households owning PVRs grew, you are left with a large step change in the data when you change 25% of the panel in one foul swoop. Even if the panel changes were like for like you would see data changes when you remove and add that many new panel mebers. It is obvious that PVR ownership is a predicator for differing viewer behaviour to &#8220;live only&#8221; households.</p>
<p>The other thing is and this is one that people are less comfortable with, but is true. I don&#8217;t care if Mr Grono confirms or not. If you have the same panel measured at the same time using the two different peoplemeters (even for &#8220;live only&#8221;) they will produce different results. For whatever reason the meters will produce different data when measuring the same viewing. It is odd but true.</p>
<p>So in this case you have 25% change in panel membership, 25% of panel using new meters and 25% of the panel using PVRs. Unfortunately it is impossible to say which is driving the change. Some parallel testing would have helped explain the differences. Assuming the research supplier has done this to the level required is often remiss.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for our friends hawking online advertising this has nothing to do with that. Nice try though, as John Grono alludes to, the issues with online measurement make these problems look insignificant.</p>
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		<title>By: John Grono</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Grono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in charge, but I do represent the MFA on the OzTAM committee, and along with John Alderton from Mitchell&#039;s represent the interests of the media buyers.   It&#039;s in the interests of all to ensure that any misnomers are corrected wouldn&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in charge, but I do represent the MFA on the OzTAM committee, and along with John Alderton from Mitchell&#8217;s represent the interests of the media buyers.   It&#8217;s in the interests of all to ensure that any misnomers are corrected wouldn&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Grono: &quot;An interesting thread – some varied (and even some valid) comments and opinions. However,&quot;

Blimey who put you in charge..?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Grono: &#8220;An interesting thread – some varied (and even some valid) comments and opinions. However,&#8221;</p>
<p>Blimey who put you in charge..?</p>
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		<title>By: John Grono</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Grono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 03:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting thread - some varied (and even some valid) comments and opinions.   However, I will not be commenting on the specific numbers, but I would like to correct some glaring misnomers.    

1. Tom - 19 Mar 10 - 2:20 pm.   You say that the system &quot;won’t take into account when the TV is off but the PVR, DVRs, set-top boxes are left on.&quot;.    It&#039;s been  long time since I have heard a comment on TV ratings that was more incorrect, so congratulations.   If the TV is off, then no ratings are attributed irrespective of the status of any STBs etc.   If multiple tuners, STBs etc are on (i.e. receiving a signal) only the one that is active on the screen is attributed.   End of story.

Of course this contrasts with online measurement where as just one example page impressions served are counted whether (i) the page is rendered completely (ii) whether the page is rendered to a PC and not some bot, spider, or crawler (iii) whether the page is rendered to a browser that is both still active and with the focus (iv) whether the page is rendered to a tab in the browser that has the focus (v) whether there is a human - or maybe even more than one - at that computer.   The magnitude of &#039;sources&#039; on a PC far outweight those on a television.   It is relatively simple on a TV to sort it out - on a PC it is difficult and needs a panel of people in order to model the actual usage.   So if you are one of those people who nay-say TV ratings have another think about the far more fragmented usage on a PC and the implications for measurement.

2. iusedtosellshit - 22 Mar 10 - 1:32 pm.    You say &quot;i mean the length of time people have been pressing buttons every day… some 4-6 years for a good part of it.&quot;   There is a scintilla of accuracy in this.   In Metro TV the rule is that a panelist can only be on the panel for a maximum of 4 years.   This is constantly monitored and reported on by OzTAM.   Generally, there are a handful of people who sneak into the &quot;48+ months&quot; group and they are quickly removed from the panel.   This is despite there NOT being any compelling evidence that &#039;button-pushing fatigue&quot; increases with duration on the panel.   If anything, the issue is when they first go on the TV ratings panel and some get carried away pushing buttons - which is why all new panelists are &#039;withheld&#039; until they are &#039;run in&#039; and patterns stabilise.

Some other facts to consider that relate to the television market in 2010 compared to 2010:
* The 2009 panel represented &quot;live-only&quot; homes - there were no TSV homes in the panel in 2009.   In 2010 some one-quarter of the panel are TSV homes - reflecting the population more accurately.    Yes, TSV homes use TV differently.   Work the numbers to see how differently for your demo / client / campaign now that you have them.
* The 2010 market is different to the 2009 market.   Each of the FTAs now have fully-blown second and third channels.   You only need to look at the OzTAM share reports to see how much share they have captured and how much of that share has come from their primary channels - do the maths.
*  Where the FTAs had second and third channels in 2009 they weren&#039;t immediately &quot;broken out&quot; (i.e. they were included with the primary channel) until they had acquired some usage and mass - but by the end of 2010 each had been broken out and reported separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting thread &#8211; some varied (and even some valid) comments and opinions.   However, I will not be commenting on the specific numbers, but I would like to correct some glaring misnomers.    </p>
<p>1. Tom &#8211; 19 Mar 10 &#8211; 2:20 pm.   You say that the system &#8220;won’t take into account when the TV is off but the PVR, DVRs, set-top boxes are left on.&#8221;.    It&#8217;s been  long time since I have heard a comment on TV ratings that was more incorrect, so congratulations.   If the TV is off, then no ratings are attributed irrespective of the status of any STBs etc.   If multiple tuners, STBs etc are on (i.e. receiving a signal) only the one that is active on the screen is attributed.   End of story.</p>
<p>Of course this contrasts with online measurement where as just one example page impressions served are counted whether (i) the page is rendered completely (ii) whether the page is rendered to a PC and not some bot, spider, or crawler (iii) whether the page is rendered to a browser that is both still active and with the focus (iv) whether the page is rendered to a tab in the browser that has the focus (v) whether there is a human &#8211; or maybe even more than one &#8211; at that computer.   The magnitude of &#8216;sources&#8217; on a PC far outweight those on a television.   It is relatively simple on a TV to sort it out &#8211; on a PC it is difficult and needs a panel of people in order to model the actual usage.   So if you are one of those people who nay-say TV ratings have another think about the far more fragmented usage on a PC and the implications for measurement.</p>
<p>2. iusedtosellshit &#8211; 22 Mar 10 &#8211; 1:32 pm.    You say &#8220;i mean the length of time people have been pressing buttons every day… some 4-6 years for a good part of it.&#8221;   There is a scintilla of accuracy in this.   In Metro TV the rule is that a panelist can only be on the panel for a maximum of 4 years.   This is constantly monitored and reported on by OzTAM.   Generally, there are a handful of people who sneak into the &#8220;48+ months&#8221; group and they are quickly removed from the panel.   This is despite there NOT being any compelling evidence that &#8216;button-pushing fatigue&#8221; increases with duration on the panel.   If anything, the issue is when they first go on the TV ratings panel and some get carried away pushing buttons &#8211; which is why all new panelists are &#8216;withheld&#8217; until they are &#8216;run in&#8217; and patterns stabilise.</p>
<p>Some other facts to consider that relate to the television market in 2010 compared to 2010:<br />
* The 2009 panel represented &#8220;live-only&#8221; homes &#8211; there were no TSV homes in the panel in 2009.   In 2010 some one-quarter of the panel are TSV homes &#8211; reflecting the population more accurately.    Yes, TSV homes use TV differently.   Work the numbers to see how differently for your demo / client / campaign now that you have them.<br />
* The 2010 market is different to the 2009 market.   Each of the FTAs now have fully-blown second and third channels.   You only need to look at the OzTAM share reports to see how much share they have captured and how much of that share has come from their primary channels &#8211; do the maths.<br />
*  Where the FTAs had second and third channels in 2009 they weren&#8217;t immediately &#8220;broken out&#8221; (i.e. they were included with the primary channel) until they had acquired some usage and mass &#8211; but by the end of 2010 each had been broken out and reported separately.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Audiences down, rates up,  when will the media industry realize the consumer has moved on.
CPM&#039;s measures what? A client deserves to have the money spent well not just to reward the media agency.
Engagement should be the focus. The consumer doesn&#039;t sit down and digest TV like before so stop trying to find reasons for why the figures are down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audiences down, rates up,  when will the media industry realize the consumer has moved on.<br />
CPM&#8217;s measures what? A client deserves to have the money spent well not just to reward the media agency.<br />
Engagement should be the focus. The consumer doesn&#8217;t sit down and digest TV like before so stop trying to find reasons for why the figures are down.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff - Do you think smart phone ownership and usage could soon outstrip TV ownership and usage?</description>
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		<title>By: R. MUGOBWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. MUGOBWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the way you monitor a result is switched how can you still make YOY comparisons?? If you want to see if there is a true fall away in audience then you need to ask the direct response guys how many phones ring compared to last year. The fact that infomercial time is still selling out is a better measuring stick than comparing a few thousand people to a few thousand different people using a slightly different measurement methods. 

And then using that new result as currency to buy against makes your currency as valid as the Zimbabwean dollar! Good luck guys you are going to need it. Yours Truly R .MUGOBWE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the way you monitor a result is switched how can you still make YOY comparisons?? If you want to see if there is a true fall away in audience then you need to ask the direct response guys how many phones ring compared to last year. The fact that infomercial time is still selling out is a better measuring stick than comparing a few thousand people to a few thousand different people using a slightly different measurement methods. </p>
<p>And then using that new result as currency to buy against makes your currency as valid as the Zimbabwean dollar! Good luck guys you are going to need it. Yours Truly R .MUGOBWE</p>
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