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		<title>By: deco</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48424</link>
		<dc:creator>deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

I understand you are siding with the marketing side this time &amp; that&#039;s fabulous.

It&#039;s the use of &quot;spinners&quot; that is offensive to many PR professionals : &quot; But that responsibility lies with the journalists, not the spinners.&quot;

That being said, it&#039;s a great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I understand you are siding with the marketing side this time &amp; that&#8217;s fabulous.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the use of &#8220;spinners&#8221; that is offensive to many PR professionals : &#8221; But that responsibility lies with the journalists, not the spinners.&#8221;</p>
<p>That being said, it&#8217;s a great article.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48423</link>
		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Deco... this article is in defence of the people involved in the campaign. 

Why not have a read of it? You may find me using words like &quot;I’ve found myself siding with the marketers against the journalists.&quot;

That&#039;s a clue on where I stand on this subject.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Deco&#8230; this article is in defence of the people involved in the campaign. </p>
<p>Why not have a read of it? You may find me using words like &#8220;I’ve found myself siding with the marketers against the journalists.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a clue on where I stand on this subject.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: deco</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48418</link>
		<dc:creator>deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Mumbrella against PR &amp; marketing professionals?  You criticise marketing &amp; PR yet your brand strapline states &quot;everything under Australia&#039;s media &amp; marketing umbrella&quot;.  

PR is not just about spin.  Publicity is only one aspect of PR (the dark side even within PR circles) &amp; is a legitimate communications profession.

This is an excellent example of campaign execution, well thought through &amp; considered.  Absolutely it is the journalist&#039;s role to check facts &amp; develop an article with objectivity.  However in the days of  tight news desk budgets &amp; ever shrinking deadlines, PR instigated articles can comprise up to 70% of news, at times.  PR is providing content, journalists need to go further &amp; research/interview.

I don&#039;t work for any of these companies.  My point is, why put down half your target audience Tim?  Spin isn&#039;t what many PR professionals aspire to &amp; is an outdated view of the PR profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Mumbrella against PR &amp; marketing professionals?  You criticise marketing &amp; PR yet your brand strapline states &#8220;everything under Australia&#8217;s media &amp; marketing umbrella&#8221;.  </p>
<p>PR is not just about spin.  Publicity is only one aspect of PR (the dark side even within PR circles) &amp; is a legitimate communications profession.</p>
<p>This is an excellent example of campaign execution, well thought through &amp; considered.  Absolutely it is the journalist&#8217;s role to check facts &amp; develop an article with objectivity.  However in the days of  tight news desk budgets &amp; ever shrinking deadlines, PR instigated articles can comprise up to 70% of news, at times.  PR is providing content, journalists need to go further &amp; research/interview.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t work for any of these companies.  My point is, why put down half your target audience Tim?  Spin isn&#8217;t what many PR professionals aspire to &amp; is an outdated view of the PR profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48408</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise I&#039;m late to this conversation (so this will probably never be read..) but I wanted to say that I&#039;m glad I read all the way to the bottom.  

@Mahia (comment 70): that is without a doubt the most honest, plain spoken, nail-on-the-head comment in this entire thread.  Kudos to you.

All parties in this knew exactly what they were doing when they put this together (from the client, to the PR firm to TCO).  They all have their agendas and the crocodile tears of theirs, and those belonging to their supporters in the advertising/PR industry, fool none of us.  Well, hopefully none of us.

I&#039;m confident that all parties were congratulating themselves on a job well done when the campaign went viral and hit the national media.  If they are going to take the money and handshakes, man up and take the criticism of what is (was?)  a fairly cynical take on mental disorders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise I&#8217;m late to this conversation (so this will probably never be read..) but I wanted to say that I&#8217;m glad I read all the way to the bottom.  </p>
<p>@Mahia (comment 70): that is without a doubt the most honest, plain spoken, nail-on-the-head comment in this entire thread.  Kudos to you.</p>
<p>All parties in this knew exactly what they were doing when they put this together (from the client, to the PR firm to TCO).  They all have their agendas and the crocodile tears of theirs, and those belonging to their supporters in the advertising/PR industry, fool none of us.  Well, hopefully none of us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confident that all parties were congratulating themselves on a job well done when the campaign went viral and hit the national media.  If they are going to take the money and handshakes, man up and take the criticism of what is (was?)  a fairly cynical take on mental disorders.</p>
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		<title>By: mahia</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48070</link>
		<dc:creator>mahia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 23:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in the industry of advertising and media. And I did not come away from the Media Watch coverage of this campaign as ill-aimed. Again, there is nothing worse than those who spin that do not admit to spinning. 

While TCO&#039;s campaign is clever. There is no denying that part of the direction PR/Journalist based advertising takes is using the weakness of central-hub-plagarism based news media. It makes sense to utilize any weakness in the media for major exposure for a campaign. I get that. Trust me.
But with it comes the responsibility of being accountable to that exploitation. So taking this &quot;Media Watch is picking on us when others do it&quot; and &quot;we don&#039;t deceive&quot; is absurd.

Joke or not, clever or not, the campaign relied on that weakness. And with that spin comes the bashing from Media Watch. Take it like a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in the industry of advertising and media. And I did not come away from the Media Watch coverage of this campaign as ill-aimed. Again, there is nothing worse than those who spin that do not admit to spinning. </p>
<p>While TCO&#8217;s campaign is clever. There is no denying that part of the direction PR/Journalist based advertising takes is using the weakness of central-hub-plagarism based news media. It makes sense to utilize any weakness in the media for major exposure for a campaign. I get that. Trust me.<br />
But with it comes the responsibility of being accountable to that exploitation. So taking this &#8220;Media Watch is picking on us when others do it&#8221; and &#8220;we don&#8217;t deceive&#8221; is absurd.</p>
<p>Joke or not, clever or not, the campaign relied on that weakness. And with that spin comes the bashing from Media Watch. Take it like a man.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bored (66),

It is when they&#039;re taking part in the conversation. You can say it, but it doesn&#039;t add weight to what has been a pretty informative debate.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bored (66),</p>
<p>It is when they&#8217;re taking part in the conversation. You can say it, but it doesn&#8217;t add weight to what has been a pretty informative debate.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: Luci Temple</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48011</link>
		<dc:creator>Luci Temple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for Media Watch keeping an eye on bad journalism, false advertising claims, misrepresentation etc...

The problem is that in cases like this Media Watch themselves are partially misrepresenting the truth. Yes they have a time limit, can&#039;t tell the whole story, etc - however these are excuses that can also be applied to other media. Media Watch quickly becomes a hypocrite, going after a good &#039;story&#039; for their show, while burying the &quot;tell&quot; signs that the campaign was tongue in cheek and the public would quickly see through it.

Yes, some low quality media organisations ran the story as if it were real, losing the sense of the ridiculous along the way - and that *is* a *worthy* story. So call the journo&#039;s who ran with it and ask why they took it seriously, why they put the story on air, when it was so obviously a silly/funny marketing strategy.

But Media Watch doesn&#039;t do that. 

Instead Media Watch reports the story as if the marketers were trying to deceive people (which is pretty crazy, since the implication would be for people to cut down on texting, exactly the opposite of what the brand wanted), and portrays the journos as almost hapless victims.

This reminds me of Media Watch&#039;s slam of Hungry Beast when they pulled a press release stunt to point out poor journalistic standards  http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/levitt-institute-gullible-cities-report . Media Watch seems to miss the point, acts self superior at all times (really annoying!), and lacking of anything resembling a funny bone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for Media Watch keeping an eye on bad journalism, false advertising claims, misrepresentation etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem is that in cases like this Media Watch themselves are partially misrepresenting the truth. Yes they have a time limit, can&#8217;t tell the whole story, etc &#8211; however these are excuses that can also be applied to other media. Media Watch quickly becomes a hypocrite, going after a good &#8216;story&#8217; for their show, while burying the &#8220;tell&#8221; signs that the campaign was tongue in cheek and the public would quickly see through it.</p>
<p>Yes, some low quality media organisations ran the story as if it were real, losing the sense of the ridiculous along the way &#8211; and that *is* a *worthy* story. So call the journo&#8217;s who ran with it and ask why they took it seriously, why they put the story on air, when it was so obviously a silly/funny marketing strategy.</p>
<p>But Media Watch doesn&#8217;t do that. </p>
<p>Instead Media Watch reports the story as if the marketers were trying to deceive people (which is pretty crazy, since the implication would be for people to cut down on texting, exactly the opposite of what the brand wanted), and portrays the journos as almost hapless victims.</p>
<p>This reminds me of Media Watch&#8217;s slam of Hungry Beast when they pulled a press release stunt to point out poor journalistic standards  <a href="http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/levitt-institute-gullible-cities-report" rel="nofollow">http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/.....ies-report</a> . Media Watch seems to miss the point, acts self superior at all times (really annoying!), and lacking of anything resembling a funny bone.</p>
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		<title>By: dante</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-48008</link>
		<dc:creator>dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst the media is obviously stupid for having bought this story hook line and sinker. It is worth noting to all those rushing to Julian Cole/TCOs defence that Julian himself lays claim to being the brains behind the campaign on his blog:

&quot;The latest campaign that I have done for Boost Mobile, I have been the creative lead on the project. I have loved every minute of this it. The ability to come up with the ideas and then lay out the whole plan and channels is definitely something that really interests me. I guess I could see myself as a Creative Director for Engagement Campaigns. &quot; (http://adspace-pioneers.blogspot.com/2010/07/2-years-of-grafting-time-capsule.html)

I have to agree with Ben S that there seems to be a notable reluctance in this case to criticise or jump on the Media lynchmob against Cole/TCO as opposed to the Naked incident. Wouldn&#039;t want to upset our mates when we have to see them down at the pub now would we...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst the media is obviously stupid for having bought this story hook line and sinker. It is worth noting to all those rushing to Julian Cole/TCOs defence that Julian himself lays claim to being the brains behind the campaign on his blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;The latest campaign that I have done for Boost Mobile, I have been the creative lead on the project. I have loved every minute of this it. The ability to come up with the ideas and then lay out the whole plan and channels is definitely something that really interests me. I guess I could see myself as a Creative Director for Engagement Campaigns. &#8221; (<a href="http://adspace-pioneers.blogspot.com/2010/07/2-years-of-grafting-time-capsule.html" rel="nofollow">http://adspace-pioneers.blogsp.....psule.html</a>)</p>
<p>I have to agree with Ben S that there seems to be a notable reluctance in this case to criticise or jump on the Media lynchmob against Cole/TCO as opposed to the Naked incident. Wouldn&#8217;t want to upset our mates when we have to see them down at the pub now would we&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bored</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-47969</link>
		<dc:creator>bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ comment 54  &quot;Let’s try to keep the tone civilised between participants in the conversation if we can please.

Cheers,&quot;......

wow.. saying that you consider someone a bore warrants a ticking off? just wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ comment 54  &#8220;Let’s try to keep the tone civilised between participants in the conversation if we can please.</p>
<p>Cheers,&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>wow.. saying that you consider someone a bore warrants a ticking off? just wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, Andrew, I think that is sort of the point as if it is put forward as news backed by researchers, the inference is that it ISN&#039;T make believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, Andrew, I think that is sort of the point as if it is put forward as news backed by researchers, the inference is that it ISN&#8217;T make believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-47766</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 04:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A ridiculous analogy Jonathan. Alcoholism is a real condition with potentially fatal consequences. &quot;Textiety&quot; on the other hand is what people call MAKE BELIEVE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A ridiculous analogy Jonathan. Alcoholism is a real condition with potentially fatal consequences. &#8220;Textiety&#8221; on the other hand is what people call MAKE BELIEVE.</p>
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		<title>By: Mental As Anything</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/media-watch-picks-an-odd-target-29672#comment-47758</link>
		<dc:creator>Mental As Anything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 04:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact - a medical or psychological disorder isn&#039;t a recognised disorder unless it is scientifically acknowledged/published. 

Fact - In contrast with how they presented the research (as being factually correct) the journalistseditorssubeditors didn&#039;t investigate the (bogus?) research well enough.

Isn&#039;t rest just noise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact &#8211; a medical or psychological disorder isn&#8217;t a recognised disorder unless it is scientifically acknowledged/published. </p>
<p>Fact &#8211; In contrast with how they presented the research (as being factually correct) the journalistseditorssubeditors didn&#8217;t investigate the (bogus?) research well enough.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t rest just noise?</p>
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		<title>By: Julian's mate from Melbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian's mate from Melbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sit down mum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sit down mum</p>
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		<title>By: Julian's Mum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian's Mum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian you move to Sydney and look at the trouble you&#039;ve caused. Please apologise for deceiving everyone. Imagine! Texting Disorders? You have such a wild imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian you move to Sydney and look at the trouble you&#8217;ve caused. Please apologise for deceiving everyone. Imagine! Texting Disorders? You have such a wild imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(&lt;em&gt;Moderated at the request of Julian Cole&lt;/em&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(<em>Moderated at the request of Julian Cole</em>)</p>
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