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	<title>Comments on: Mumbo Report: Clive Burcham on The Global Poverty Project; Ray Martin on why Val Kilmer is hard work</title>
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		<title>By: Arran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mungo...if I had to guess, I&#039;d say that pen was the P142 pen at www.promogallery.com.au.  I&#039;d further guess that it was decorated with www.extremeinfo.com.au but it&#039;s hard to be certain.  Perhaps extremeinfo ought to provide Tim with some larger promotions?  Wouldn&#039;t be hard to outshine the dull Adstream mug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mungo&#8230;if I had to guess, I&#8217;d say that pen was the P142 pen at <a href="http://www.promogallery.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.promogallery.com.au</a>.  I&#8217;d further guess that it was decorated with <a href="http://www.extremeinfo.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.extremeinfo.com.au</a> but it&#8217;s hard to be certain.  Perhaps extremeinfo ought to provide Tim with some larger promotions?  Wouldn&#8217;t be hard to outshine the dull Adstream mug.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesWelch</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/mumbo-report-clive-burcham-on-the-global-poverty-project-ray-martin-on-why-val-kilmer-is-hard-work-12420#comment-21964</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesWelch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met Clive a couple of years ago when he brought Joe Jaffe into Sydney to speak about &quot;life beyond the 30 second spot&quot;. Clive might be a curious character, but he&#039;s a man with a great mission and doing very well. 

At the time he recounted a story about the start of TCO, when all he had was a three point plan: 1) Make more than we spend. 2) Give a little bit back. 3) Don&#039;t work with arseholes. A good ethos for life, I&#039;ve thought ever-since.

And whatever you might think of the individual, the work TCO is producing is worth taking a look at.

Another interesting Mumbo report. 

Ta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met Clive a couple of years ago when he brought Joe Jaffe into Sydney to speak about &#8220;life beyond the 30 second spot&#8221;. Clive might be a curious character, but he&#8217;s a man with a great mission and doing very well. </p>
<p>At the time he recounted a story about the start of TCO, when all he had was a three point plan: 1) Make more than we spend. 2) Give a little bit back. 3) Don&#8217;t work with arseholes. A good ethos for life, I&#8217;ve thought ever-since.</p>
<p>And whatever you might think of the individual, the work TCO is producing is worth taking a look at.</p>
<p>Another interesting Mumbo report. </p>
<p>Ta.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/mumbo-report-clive-burcham-on-the-global-poverty-project-ray-martin-on-why-val-kilmer-is-hard-work-12420#comment-21853</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachael do you work on Clive&#039;s PR team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachael do you work on Clive&#8217;s PR team?</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachael, I take it you&#039;re not a model then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachael, I take it you&#8217;re not a model then.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rachael,,

I personally disagree with those comments and was close to moderarting them. However, they are comment/ reaction to something Clive said in the video so from that point of view it is (just) legitimate comment.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rachael,,</p>
<p>I personally disagree with those comments and was close to moderarting them. However, they are comment/ reaction to something Clive said in the video so from that point of view it is (just) legitimate comment.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: The Accountant</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/mumbo-report-clive-burcham-on-the-global-poverty-project-ray-martin-on-why-val-kilmer-is-hard-work-12420#comment-21761</link>
		<dc:creator>The Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive has the most stunning combover I have ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive has the most stunning combover I have ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: gezza</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/mumbo-report-clive-burcham-on-the-global-poverty-project-ray-martin-on-why-val-kilmer-is-hard-work-12420#comment-21759</link>
		<dc:creator>gezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel.  I said B of the D on the project - not on his attitudes to supermodels and women.  It could well be I&#039;m being unfair but men who place too much social status on the attractiveness of their female partner and who also dismiss an entire profession or group on the basis of the behavior of one person I would say do clearly have some issues.  

If he&#039;d said he once went out with a one legged nurse but got dumped and will never go out with another one again you may take a different view.  It would be quite funny though.

And to your other point - anonymity.  Is&#039;nt that a significant benefit of these blog forums that people can give an opinion with fear of the usual cosnequence. As long as we dont revert to personal abuse - which I dont believe I did. But I respect your opinion to differ and the fact that you obviously know and respect this guy. 

Chrs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel.  I said B of the D on the project &#8211; not on his attitudes to supermodels and women.  It could well be I&#8217;m being unfair but men who place too much social status on the attractiveness of their female partner and who also dismiss an entire profession or group on the basis of the behavior of one person I would say do clearly have some issues.  </p>
<p>If he&#8217;d said he once went out with a one legged nurse but got dumped and will never go out with another one again you may take a different view.  It would be quite funny though.</p>
<p>And to your other point &#8211; anonymity.  Is&#8217;nt that a significant benefit of these blog forums that people can give an opinion with fear of the usual cosnequence. As long as we dont revert to personal abuse &#8211; which I dont believe I did. But I respect your opinion to differ and the fact that you obviously know and respect this guy. </p>
<p>Chrs</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Lonergan</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/mumbo-report-clive-burcham-on-the-global-poverty-project-ray-martin-on-why-val-kilmer-is-hard-work-12420#comment-21758</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I know this has been said before but I&#039;ll say it again.

Criticism of work, systems, ideas etc.  Fair game.

Petty or defamatory personal comments on people or personalities within the industry, especially by people not prepared to go on record...how is this not subject to moderation?

Cheers, Rachael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I know this has been said before but I&#8217;ll say it again.</p>
<p>Criticism of work, systems, ideas etc.  Fair game.</p>
<p>Petty or defamatory personal comments on people or personalities within the industry, especially by people not prepared to go on record&#8230;how is this not subject to moderation?</p>
<p>Cheers, Rachael</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Lonergan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gezza

You also said &quot;he revealed himself to be something of an insecure and vain self-important misogynist &quot;.  Where exactly is the benefit of the doubt in that?  Anyone who knows Clive knows how much BS that is.

I don&#039;t know you @gezza.  But because you are hidden behind a pseudonym I&#039;m going to assume you&#039;re not prepared to publicly stand up for yourself which I do believe says something beyond doubt about your character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gezza</p>
<p>You also said &#8220;he revealed himself to be something of an insecure and vain self-important misogynist &#8220;.  Where exactly is the benefit of the doubt in that?  Anyone who knows Clive knows how much BS that is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know you @gezza.  But because you are hidden behind a pseudonym I&#8217;m going to assume you&#8217;re not prepared to publicly stand up for yourself which I do believe says something beyond doubt about your character.</p>
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		<title>By: gezza</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/mumbo-report-clive-burcham-on-the-global-poverty-project-ray-martin-on-why-val-kilmer-is-hard-work-12420#comment-21750</link>
		<dc:creator>gezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachael - I said we should give him the benefit of the doubt - maybe you missed that.  I do however think that comparing his motivation to end world poverty with being dumped by a supermodel rather crass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachael &#8211; I said we should give him the benefit of the doubt &#8211; maybe you missed that.  I do however think that comparing his motivation to end world poverty with being dumped by a supermodel rather crass.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Lonergan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gezza @Jules

Obviously you&#039;ve never met Clive or you&#039;d know he is one of the most spectacularly decent human beings in this industry.  Your comments could not be further from the truth. 

And he puts his name to the things he is passionate about and believes in.  It would certainly never be his style to hide behind anonymity so as to rip apart someone he doesn&#039;t know, on an industry based forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gezza @Jules</p>
<p>Obviously you&#8217;ve never met Clive or you&#8217;d know he is one of the most spectacularly decent human beings in this industry.  Your comments could not be further from the truth. </p>
<p>And he puts his name to the things he is passionate about and believes in.  It would certainly never be his style to hide behind anonymity so as to rip apart someone he doesn&#8217;t know, on an industry based forum.</p>
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		<title>By: gezza</title>
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		<dc:creator>gezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules: Yes he revealed himself to be something of an insecure and vain self important misogynist. That does not disqualify him from being a very succesful advertising practioner - far from it.

Let&#039;s give his project and motivation the B of the D, and hope it doesn&#039;t turn out to be another vehicle for self promotion and media self congratulation - ie Earth Hour 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules: Yes he revealed himself to be something of an insecure and vain self important misogynist. That does not disqualify him from being a very succesful advertising practioner &#8211; far from it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s give his project and motivation the B of the D, and hope it doesn&#8217;t turn out to be another vehicle for self promotion and media self congratulation &#8211; ie Earth Hour 2.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jules,

You may need to go back to body language school.

Clieve is spectacularly hard work to interview because his mind is working in a million different directions at once. But that&#039;s what makes him interesting.

And the Global Poverty Project is an amazing idea which is undoubtedly benefitting from his energy. When that starts to get international attention in the following months (which I&#039;m pretty sure it will), just remember that you saw Clive talk about it here first!

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jules,</p>
<p>You may need to go back to body language school.</p>
<p>Clieve is spectacularly hard work to interview because his mind is working in a million different directions at once. But that&#8217;s what makes him interesting.</p>
<p>And the Global Poverty Project is an amazing idea which is undoubtedly benefitting from his energy. When that starts to get international attention in the following months (which I&#8217;m pretty sure it will), just remember that you saw Clive talk about it here first!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha I liked watching Tim&#039;s body language as he tried to deal with that twat.

You can see the resentment bubbling up to the surface around the time Clivey Baby steps off his gimp box to check that Tim is still following - &#039;do you get the paradigm&#039;. 

His opening about the attractive model revealed his spectacular expertise as a douche. I&#039;m surprised he didn&#039;t do the interview in an Ed Hardy t-shirt.

Actually if he ever comes back - can I put in a request that you wear an Ed Hardy t-shirt while interviewing him Tim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha I liked watching Tim&#8217;s body language as he tried to deal with that twat.</p>
<p>You can see the resentment bubbling up to the surface around the time Clivey Baby steps off his gimp box to check that Tim is still following &#8211; &#8216;do you get the paradigm&#8217;. </p>
<p>His opening about the attractive model revealed his spectacular expertise as a douche. I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t do the interview in an Ed Hardy t-shirt.</p>
<p>Actually if he ever comes back &#8211; can I put in a request that you wear an Ed Hardy t-shirt while interviewing him Tim?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Zerhut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Zerhut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gezza. I think he might have yeah. Could kind of blag it either way though. 

@jojo - another thing on the opening credits, I have also often wonderd whether Tim is indulging in an &#039;air sip&#039; from an actually empty mug, or if indeed there is fluid in the vessel, when he sips on his beverage in the titles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gezza. I think he might have yeah. Could kind of blag it either way though. </p>
<p>@jojo &#8211; another thing on the opening credits, I have also often wonderd whether Tim is indulging in an &#8216;air sip&#8217; from an actually empty mug, or if indeed there is fluid in the vessel, when he sips on his beverage in the titles</p>
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