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	<title>Comments on: News Ltd boss Hartigan: Sites like Crikey and Mumbrella are less than 10% original</title>
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		<title>By: News Digital boss: We don&#8217;t hate bloggers - mUmBRELLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Digital boss: We don&#8217;t hate bloggers - mUmBRELLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] His comments follow those of John Hartigan, CEO of News Ltd, earlier this month in which he said that many websites had less than 10% original content. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hey Harto, embrace this: A plan for online press &#124; Media Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hey Harto, embrace this: A plan for online press &#124; Media Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] News Ltd supremo John Hartigan stirred up every media blogger in the Southern Hemisphere with a speech to the National Press Club. Hartigan took a swipe at bloggers as well as new media sites like Mumbrella and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] News Ltd supremo John Hartigan stirred up every media blogger in the Southern Hemisphere with a speech to the National Press Club. Hartigan took a swipe at bloggers as well as new media sites like Mumbrella and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst we are on the topic of new media...
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/07/04/1246732220004.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst we are on the topic of new media&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/07/04/1246732220004.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/articles.....20004.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You took that well then Mumbrella! I think you should be chuffed John Hartigan even knows you exist. Like everybody in your real world, we should separate opinion from reporting the facts. Blogs are opinion, and that is not a bad thing. Accept your position on the media landscape that is forever fragmenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You took that well then Mumbrella! I think you should be chuffed John Hartigan even knows you exist. Like everybody in your real world, we should separate opinion from reporting the facts. Blogs are opinion, and that is not a bad thing. Accept your position on the media landscape that is forever fragmenting.</p>
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		<title>By: rebekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Mumbrella is actually talked about is the most exciting part of this. Well done Tim!  I continue to read online and print newspapers. I see the issue as quality in that newspapers like the Australian which is clearly the only decent newspaper in Aust has small distribution compared to the tabloid Herald and the Daily Terror that have for a many years relied on classifieds and other crap that people can now get online for free. I see publishing be it mags and papers as becoming more niche and that&#039;s an issue for ad sales but if publications can rightsize they may be able to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Mumbrella is actually talked about is the most exciting part of this. Well done Tim!  I continue to read online and print newspapers. I see the issue as quality in that newspapers like the Australian which is clearly the only decent newspaper in Aust has small distribution compared to the tabloid Herald and the Daily Terror that have for a many years relied on classifieds and other crap that people can now get online for free. I see publishing be it mags and papers as becoming more niche and that&#8217;s an issue for ad sales but if publications can rightsize they may be able to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh the irony&#8230; were the Australian&#8217;s subs trying to tell us something? &#124; Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh the irony&#8230; were the Australian&#8217;s subs trying to tell us something? &#124; Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And links and commentary from Mumbrella here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media has changed and the dust is far from settled.  (no cr@p Sherlock you say...)

Go back 20 years and news was received via three channels:  
TV
Radio
Newspapers
(Four including with Town Criers...)

There were ad slots and clear deadlines.  Compared to now, media was easier to buy.  I might be wrong?

Nowadays every consumer in Oz pretty much has access to the web and are on there all the time.  There are an infinite amount of channels online and ever popular social sites, which can break news before the wires receive it...

Media land has changed and the dust has certainly not settled yet.  Is anyone else, like me, awaiting for this killer app to come along and swallow up a heap of sites..?  It would make buying a lot easier.

Big generic websites do offer reach.  Niche sites offer quality and targeted views.  

If somebody goes to a website all about cars - what a great place to advertise a car.  If someone goes to a website all about weddings, what a great place to advertise a wedding dress.

Now, of course a car can also be pushed to the masses to create desire from the numbers and thus sales, however it is hard nowadays because there are simply so many channels and we want to push out on them all without missing out; (it makes 4 commercial terrestial tv channels look very nice and easy.)  

Is this why the price is being driven down, because the channels are increasing so rapidly?  If that is the case will media land suddenly become acquisition land to cater for supply and demand?  Why have 50 sites breaking news when 5 could suffice...?

It will be an interesting 10 years :)

If so with more and more pages being added to the web every second of the day, where are we going to go?

Comrades it is us who steers a path to the future.  i have a few idea&#039;s however if I shared them with you - you might create this &quot;killer app&quot; before I do...  &quot;whooooa ha ha ha ha&quot; - deep booming voice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media has changed and the dust is far from settled.  (no <a href="mailto:cr@p">cr@p</a> Sherlock you say&#8230;)</p>
<p>Go back 20 years and news was received via three channels:<br />
TV<br />
Radio<br />
Newspapers<br />
(Four including with Town Criers&#8230;)</p>
<p>There were ad slots and clear deadlines.  Compared to now, media was easier to buy.  I might be wrong?</p>
<p>Nowadays every consumer in Oz pretty much has access to the web and are on there all the time.  There are an infinite amount of channels online and ever popular social sites, which can break news before the wires receive it&#8230;</p>
<p>Media land has changed and the dust has certainly not settled yet.  Is anyone else, like me, awaiting for this killer app to come along and swallow up a heap of sites..?  It would make buying a lot easier.</p>
<p>Big generic websites do offer reach.  Niche sites offer quality and targeted views.  </p>
<p>If somebody goes to a website all about cars &#8211; what a great place to advertise a car.  If someone goes to a website all about weddings, what a great place to advertise a wedding dress.</p>
<p>Now, of course a car can also be pushed to the masses to create desire from the numbers and thus sales, however it is hard nowadays because there are simply so many channels and we want to push out on them all without missing out; (it makes 4 commercial terrestial tv channels look very nice and easy.)  </p>
<p>Is this why the price is being driven down, because the channels are increasing so rapidly?  If that is the case will media land suddenly become acquisition land to cater for supply and demand?  Why have 50 sites breaking news when 5 could suffice&#8230;?</p>
<p>It will be an interesting 10 years <img src='http://mumbrella.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If so with more and more pages being added to the web every second of the day, where are we going to go?</p>
<p>Comrades it is us who steers a path to the future.  i have a few idea&#8217;s however if I shared them with you &#8211; you might create this &#8220;killer app&#8221; before I do&#8230;  &#8220;whooooa ha ha ha ha&#8221; &#8211; deep booming voice</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/news-ltd-boss-hartigan-sites-like-crikey-and-mumbrella-are-less-than-10-original-7294#comment-9384</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well just to prove the high level of stories covered by News Ltd, the recent &quot;Best Job&quot; winner makes a spelling mistake.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,25726684-5014090,00.html

The best part i like about this story is that it is covered by the Courier Mail, which is a QLD based paper, has now made our star for the tourism campaign look stupid! Great work supporting Tourism QLD after all the papers their tourism campaign has 
sold since this &quot;Best Job in the World&quot; coverage started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well just to prove the high level of stories covered by News Ltd, the recent &#8220;Best Job&#8221; winner makes a spelling mistake.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,25726684-5014090,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/travel/.....90,00.html</a></p>
<p>The best part i like about this story is that it is covered by the Courier Mail, which is a QLD based paper, has now made our star for the tourism campaign look stupid! Great work supporting Tourism QLD after all the papers their tourism campaign has<br />
sold since this &#8220;Best Job in the World&#8221; coverage started.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Howarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Howarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Simple - they&#039;ll keep doing it as long as there is someone there to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Simple &#8211; they&#8217;ll keep doing it as long as there is someone there to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fionn im wondering if stories such as the death of MJ shows how low mainstream media has actually fallen into the gutters? I mean its seriously great journalism but it all seems to be rehashed from sources like TMZ angain and again...

I know there are people that are interested in the story but how many times can they reprint/playback the same information again and again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fionn im wondering if stories such as the death of MJ shows how low mainstream media has actually fallen into the gutters? I mean its seriously great journalism but it all seems to be rehashed from sources like TMZ angain and again&#8230;</p>
<p>I know there are people that are interested in the story but how many times can they reprint/playback the same information again and again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fionn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fionn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question when he talks about the fact that less of the content is &quot;original&quot;.  I was in the UK when the Daily Telegraph broke the expenses scandal.  They researched it, they wrote it, they published it.

For the next few days the News Int papers (The Sun, Times etc) all covered the furore, the disclosures made by the Tele and started their own research.  In that regard don&#039;t papers do that for a whole heap of stories when they are playing catch up?

How much newspaper content is that original?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question when he talks about the fact that less of the content is &#8220;original&#8221;.  I was in the UK when the Daily Telegraph broke the expenses scandal.  They researched it, they wrote it, they published it.</p>
<p>For the next few days the News Int papers (The Sun, Times etc) all covered the furore, the disclosures made by the Tele and started their own research.  In that regard don&#8217;t papers do that for a whole heap of stories when they are playing catch up?</p>
<p>How much newspaper content is that original?</p>
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		<title>By: Great Strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m eagerly awaiting some news provider who is willing to charge more for the scarce ads on their website.. does everyone remember how google started? Text only ads! That&#039;s what brought everyone to google at the beginning of its ascension. Reconsider the possibility that some users (like me) HATE ads that push down the whole screen for 10 seconds or runs a car across my news page. Some of the most effective strategies of online marketing come from avoiding invasive advertising that are now being employed to run up ad revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m eagerly awaiting some news provider who is willing to charge more for the scarce ads on their website.. does everyone remember how google started? Text only ads! That&#8217;s what brought everyone to google at the beginning of its ascension. Reconsider the possibility that some users (like me) HATE ads that push down the whole screen for 10 seconds or runs a car across my news page. Some of the most effective strategies of online marketing come from avoiding invasive advertising that are now being employed to run up ad revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Howarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Howarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What seems to be missing in all of this is an understanding of the economics of news creation. Someone has to be paid somewhere - unless we are going to live in a world of amateurs (and I agree that some amateurs do a bloody good job). There is a lot of jealousy amongst content creators that services such as Google are able to make money without paying to create content. Google would argue that it drives traffic to the sites of content creators. Both are right.

The real problem is that online media eliminates one of the key economic supports of that the media has traditionally enjoyed - scarcity of inventory. There are only so many ad slots in a half hour of TV, so networks can charge a premium based partly on that. With online, the more pages we create, the less we seem able to charge for them. Hence we have falling ad rates. What happens when ad rates fall? We create more pages.

It&#039;s a downward spiral, and one that I can&#039;t see going away unless someone comes up with an easy and compelling service for highly targeted advertising that is also palatable for consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What seems to be missing in all of this is an understanding of the economics of news creation. Someone has to be paid somewhere &#8211; unless we are going to live in a world of amateurs (and I agree that some amateurs do a bloody good job). There is a lot of jealousy amongst content creators that services such as Google are able to make money without paying to create content. Google would argue that it drives traffic to the sites of content creators. Both are right.</p>
<p>The real problem is that online media eliminates one of the key economic supports of that the media has traditionally enjoyed &#8211; scarcity of inventory. There are only so many ad slots in a half hour of TV, so networks can charge a premium based partly on that. With online, the more pages we create, the less we seem able to charge for them. Hence we have falling ad rates. What happens when ad rates fall? We create more pages.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a downward spiral, and one that I can&#8217;t see going away unless someone comes up with an easy and compelling service for highly targeted advertising that is also palatable for consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL 10% is better than 5%.

Tim, if the evil empire is talking about you...you must be doing something right &amp; hurting their bottom line.

Keep the good work-up matey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL 10% is better than 5%.</p>
<p>Tim, if the evil empire is talking about you&#8230;you must be doing something right &amp; hurting their bottom line.</p>
<p>Keep the good work-up matey.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is, this guy is wrong. people are not prepared to PAY for news anymore... not when it readily available on the net...  your not going to buy a subscription to a website for news...  not when every other source is out there for free...

people still only barely buy the sunday paper, just cos its a relaxing method of news absorbtion. thats it.

sites like mumbrella do stuff that scares traditional print outlets.... it offers instant feedback from the public, which scares most journalists as they dont like to be told they are full of bull plop!  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is, this guy is wrong. people are not prepared to PAY for news anymore&#8230; not when it readily available on the net&#8230;  your not going to buy a subscription to a website for news&#8230;  not when every other source is out there for free&#8230;</p>
<p>people still only barely buy the sunday paper, just cos its a relaxing method of news absorbtion. thats it.</p>
<p>sites like mumbrella do stuff that scares traditional print outlets&#8230;. it offers instant feedback from the public, which scares most journalists as they dont like to be told they are full of bull plop!  lol</p>
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