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	<title>Comments on: Repeat after me: Bus stop ads aren&#8217;t for the passengers</title>
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		<title>By: franksting</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37634</link>
		<dc:creator>franksting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, everyone knows bus stop (and Public telephone) ads are for Pedestrians. F__k knows they piss us off as much as tourists taking photos of the bloody QVB at peak hours by hampering us as we strive to get the next bus/cityfail train before the blasted thing goes without us.
So we can&#039;t help but noticing the b______s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, everyone knows bus stop (and Public telephone) ads are for Pedestrians. F__k knows they piss us off as much as tourists taking photos of the bloody QVB at peak hours by hampering us as we strive to get the next bus/cityfail train before the blasted thing goes without us.<br />
So we can&#8217;t help but noticing the b______s</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Commander</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37329</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Commander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma &amp; WTF - I love you. From our office here in Pyrmont, we have a big front window onto the pavement. Approximately 30m is an Adshel. And most of the time we cant read a bloody thing on the posters. It&#039;s dreadful. And we&#039;re SITTING here (hard at work of course and most definitely not dithering around on the interweb).

Thankfully this week we have Berocca. 6 word headline and a bloody great  big packshot. There&#039;s some tiddly writing at the bottom (bad client, bad) and the headline is light orange on white (bad art director, bad) but otherwise a generally good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma &amp; WTF &#8211; I love you. From our office here in Pyrmont, we have a big front window onto the pavement. Approximately 30m is an Adshel. And most of the time we cant read a bloody thing on the posters. It&#8217;s dreadful. And we&#8217;re SITTING here (hard at work of course and most definitely not dithering around on the interweb).</p>
<p>Thankfully this week we have Berocca. 6 word headline and a bloody great  big packshot. There&#8217;s some tiddly writing at the bottom (bad client, bad) and the headline is light orange on white (bad art director, bad) but otherwise a generally good example.</p>
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		<title>By: New to Oz</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37274</link>
		<dc:creator>New to Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that advert the other day and though that &#039;Hahn&#039; was some sort of ticket for the elderly...  The picture of beer I thought was just the norm (Aussies love their beer...)

I am learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that advert the other day and though that &#8216;Hahn&#8217; was some sort of ticket for the elderly&#8230;  The picture of beer I thought was just the norm (Aussies love their beer&#8230;)</p>
<p>I am learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37221</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bus stop ad but it appears a billboard had an incredible effect on this guy:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/mcdonalds-billboard-helped-entice-man-to-drink-drive-court-heard/story-e6freoof-1225853693950


Best defence in a DUI case I have ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bus stop ad but it appears a billboard had an incredible effect on this guy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/mcdonalds-billboard-helped-entice-man-to-drink-drive-court-heard/story-e6freoof-1225853693950" rel="nofollow">http://www.couriermail.com.au/.....5853693950</a></p>
<p>Best defence in a DUI case I have ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Gem</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37081</link>
		<dc:creator>Gem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outdoor Avenger, BINGO BANGO! Now get around to all the creative agencies and give them what for. AND to the end clients. Clearly they aren&#039;t understanding what&#039;s needed from a lot of the arse gravy seen around on outdoor these days. Or should I say, amended magazine ads slapped up because it&#039;s already the oh so handy portrait format!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outdoor Avenger, BINGO BANGO! Now get around to all the creative agencies and give them what for. AND to the end clients. Clearly they aren&#8217;t understanding what&#8217;s needed from a lot of the arse gravy seen around on outdoor these days. Or should I say, amended magazine ads slapped up because it&#8217;s already the oh so handy portrait format!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Almighty</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37042</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Almighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those bus shelters showing a big ass Big Mac work. Even if I catch a glimpse it&#039;s enough to make me want one and take a detour into a Macca&#039;s drive thru . Why not I&#039;m already in my car...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those bus shelters showing a big ass Big Mac work. Even if I catch a glimpse it&#8217;s enough to make me want one and take a detour into a Macca&#8217;s drive thru . Why not I&#8217;m already in my car&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Outdoor Avenger</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-37002</link>
		<dc:creator>Outdoor Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best advice is design for the worst case scenario – ie people in cars travelling at speed.

This is because the majority of people are in their cars and not catching public transport and more cars are travelling past your sign outside of peak hour not in peak.

Short copy and large branding allows the message to be distilled in under 3 seconds enabling more people to see your brand more often. Including those over in lane 3 furthest from the sign.
And it works even better when you’re everywhere on lots of different OOH formats not just on an expensive footpath in the CBD.

Small products should be supersized to fill the space and large objects like cars should never be minimised as they&#039;ll just end up looking like toys.
Busy scenes with lots going on trying to tell a story also never work. Vibrating colours, CAPITAL letters, faint, fine or unusual text are also a big NO.

Optimal viewing distance of an outdoor static sign is calculated by multiplying the width by 20 metres. Another thing to note is the viewers (both pedestrian and motorist) natural eyelevel is on the top half of the bus shelter panel.

The Super Dry product shot can’t be deciphered even at 5 metres and is most definitely a FAIL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best advice is design for the worst case scenario – ie people in cars travelling at speed.</p>
<p>This is because the majority of people are in their cars and not catching public transport and more cars are travelling past your sign outside of peak hour not in peak.</p>
<p>Short copy and large branding allows the message to be distilled in under 3 seconds enabling more people to see your brand more often. Including those over in lane 3 furthest from the sign.<br />
And it works even better when you’re everywhere on lots of different OOH formats not just on an expensive footpath in the CBD.</p>
<p>Small products should be supersized to fill the space and large objects like cars should never be minimised as they&#8217;ll just end up looking like toys.<br />
Busy scenes with lots going on trying to tell a story also never work. Vibrating colours, CAPITAL letters, faint, fine or unusual text are also a big NO.</p>
<p>Optimal viewing distance of an outdoor static sign is calculated by multiplying the width by 20 metres. Another thing to note is the viewers (both pedestrian and motorist) natural eyelevel is on the top half of the bus shelter panel.</p>
<p>The Super Dry product shot can’t be deciphered even at 5 metres and is most definitely a FAIL</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36951</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 04:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce - I am from Melbourne there is plenty of whooshing here as well as in Bathurst! Do agree with you about the repeated viewings having an effect at multiple locations, however I have been frustrated with seeing the same ad over and over and never being able to pick up the product or brand.

Mark - I can recall many bus shelter ads, mostly for easily recognisable brands with a simple and distinctive looking product. Tiffany ads that year after year pop up on bus shelters around Christmas immediately jumps to mind, as well as some perfume ads.

Definitely a case by case issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce &#8211; I am from Melbourne there is plenty of whooshing here as well as in Bathurst! Do agree with you about the repeated viewings having an effect at multiple locations, however I have been frustrated with seeing the same ad over and over and never being able to pick up the product or brand.</p>
<p>Mark &#8211; I can recall many bus shelter ads, mostly for easily recognisable brands with a simple and distinctive looking product. Tiffany ads that year after year pop up on bus shelters around Christmas immediately jumps to mind, as well as some perfume ads.</p>
<p>Definitely a case by case issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with Emma

I think maybe the comments section needs a recommend or like feature. Then I wouldn&#039;t have to post this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with Emma</p>
<p>I think maybe the comments section needs a recommend or like feature. Then I wouldn&#8217;t have to post this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Walton</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36771</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest challenge that outdoor currently faces isn&#039;t the size, location or quality of any of the panels, but the quality of creative that is put on them.

Cut in half the amount of information in most executions, and cut it in half again, and we will be approaching something that has the most effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest challenge that outdoor currently faces isn&#8217;t the size, location or quality of any of the panels, but the quality of creative that is put on them.</p>
<p>Cut in half the amount of information in most executions, and cut it in half again, and we will be approaching something that has the most effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36760</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Outdoor Guy. But the author is prescribing creative useage aimed at those driving past adshel sites etc. The creative that I see is so convoluted that the Homer Simpson grab where he stops on his way to work to read the new months change out ads would need to come to fruition before they would gain any cut through.

As for likelihood to see I&#039;m skeptical that anything but a very small percentage of the general public actually see and are affected by the outdoor furniture they go past. Would be very interested to know what percentage of passers by are claimed as likely to see&#039;s!

I&#039;m just as skeptical of radio diaries, readership figures and even 24/7 people meter panel numbers. Don&#039;t even start me on the 83 million active browsers and convuluted measurement of online. 

In the end we need a currency but not sure we can so evangelical about the efficacy of current measurement metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Outdoor Guy. But the author is prescribing creative useage aimed at those driving past adshel sites etc. The creative that I see is so convoluted that the Homer Simpson grab where he stops on his way to work to read the new months change out ads would need to come to fruition before they would gain any cut through.</p>
<p>As for likelihood to see I&#8217;m skeptical that anything but a very small percentage of the general public actually see and are affected by the outdoor furniture they go past. Would be very interested to know what percentage of passers by are claimed as likely to see&#8217;s!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just as skeptical of radio diaries, readership figures and even 24/7 people meter panel numbers. Don&#8217;t even start me on the 83 million active browsers and convuluted measurement of online. </p>
<p>In the end we need a currency but not sure we can so evangelical about the efficacy of current measurement metrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Outdoor Guy</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36738</link>
		<dc:creator>Outdoor Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am biased, but i can assure you its not toward bus shelters, it&#039;s toward OOH as a whole. Agree that you have 3 seconds for bus shelters and anything else viewed from a car. Driving past a small metrolite sized panel will not be effective unless the creative is right.

OOH is best viewed when you walk past it. Walking past that same sized panel in a retail environment, airport or in the CBD will be far more effective.

FYI - LTS is based on size of panel, eccentricity to the road, (is the sign perpendicular or parallel), distance of viewing, and position (what side of the road is it on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am biased, but i can assure you its not toward bus shelters, it&#8217;s toward OOH as a whole. Agree that you have 3 seconds for bus shelters and anything else viewed from a car. Driving past a small metrolite sized panel will not be effective unless the creative is right.</p>
<p>OOH is best viewed when you walk past it. Walking past that same sized panel in a retail environment, airport or in the CBD will be far more effective.</p>
<p>FYI &#8211; LTS is based on size of panel, eccentricity to the road, (is the sign perpendicular or parallel), distance of viewing, and position (what side of the road is it on).</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36725</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with paul

I think Alison M is mad as she likes to hide behind bus shelters or is tring to develop X-Ray vision....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with paul</p>
<p>I think Alison M is mad as she likes to hide behind bus shelters or is tring to develop X-Ray vision&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36723</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Posted Comments... Less is more...

Bus Stop ads the same. 

So Sell me; you got fifteen words. Go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Posted Comments&#8230; Less is more&#8230;</p>
<p>Bus Stop ads the same. </p>
<p>So Sell me; you got fifteen words. Go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/repeat-after-me-bus-stop-ads-arent-for-the-passengers-22670#comment-36719</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outdoor advertising needs to adopt the less is more approach. Less words, bigger client logo. If the average person can&#039;t recall the ad, or strain to read the copy then go back to the drawing board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outdoor advertising needs to adopt the less is more approach. Less words, bigger client logo. If the average person can&#8217;t recall the ad, or strain to read the copy then go back to the drawing board.</p>
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