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	<title>Comments on: Self proclaimed social media gurus? The very idea of it</title>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-35174</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG.  I have just read through this entire debate and can&#039;t believe so many people have their knickers in such a twist about SMW and the definition of a guru.

The people who are clearly hottest under the collar about it all should perhaps take a deep breath and relax.... I mean, seriously... too much time on your hands?

Ann, I agree with you - 
Aren’t all gurus self proclaimed? Doesn’t self proclamation attract followers who then “second” the self proclamation? I mean all websites are essentially a form of proclamation. And social networking is group-facilitated self proclamation.

Everyone else.... go and do something useful!  This navel-gazing is killing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG.  I have just read through this entire debate and can&#8217;t believe so many people have their knickers in such a twist about SMW and the definition of a guru.</p>
<p>The people who are clearly hottest under the collar about it all should perhaps take a deep breath and relax&#8230;. I mean, seriously&#8230; too much time on your hands?</p>
<p>Ann, I agree with you &#8211;<br />
Aren’t all gurus self proclaimed? Doesn’t self proclamation attract followers who then “second” the self proclamation? I mean all websites are essentially a form of proclamation. And social networking is group-facilitated self proclamation.</p>
<p>Everyone else&#8230;. go and do something useful!  This navel-gazing is killing me.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbrella</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-34932</link>
		<dc:creator>mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

I know of very few people who actually use the word guru to describe themselves.

Their press release took aim at &quot;self proclaimed social media gurus&quot;. From the context, it was clear their focus was on those who profess to be experts at social media (nobody is yet, of course). I don&#039;t think they were focusing on those who &quot;dictate and lead through cryptic riddles&quot;.

However, it&#039;s clear from their own sites that all three make a living from offering advice in the digital world themselves. That&#039;s not so different from the people their release took aim at.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>I know of very few people who actually use the word guru to describe themselves.</p>
<p>Their press release took aim at &#8220;self proclaimed social media gurus&#8221;. From the context, it was clear their focus was on those who profess to be experts at social media (nobody is yet, of course). I don&#8217;t think they were focusing on those who &#8220;dictate and lead through cryptic riddles&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s clear from their own sites that all three make a living from offering advice in the digital world themselves. That&#8217;s not so different from the people their release took aim at.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame on you Mumbo!

These people do not claim to be Gurus yet you bait a conversation to get some traffic, of which I am now a participant. 

None of these people you mention claim to be Gurus. As others point out, and I&#039;d like to reiterate, there is a difference between Guru, and Professional. I come here to read professional &quot;journalism&quot; (ok, gossip) about this industry, which many professionals vociferously comment on. Gurus don&#039;t have discussions, they dictate and lead through cryptic riddles. I challenge you to show me where these people claim Guru-ness.

I guess you&#039;ll bait us with some Mac/PC comment as soon as the iPad comes out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame on you Mumbo!</p>
<p>These people do not claim to be Gurus yet you bait a conversation to get some traffic, of which I am now a participant. </p>
<p>None of these people you mention claim to be Gurus. As others point out, and I&#8217;d like to reiterate, there is a difference between Guru, and Professional. I come here to read professional &#8220;journalism&#8221; (ok, gossip) about this industry, which many professionals vociferously comment on. Gurus don&#8217;t have discussions, they dictate and lead through cryptic riddles. I challenge you to show me where these people claim Guru-ness.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ll bait us with some Mac/PC comment as soon as the iPad comes out?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-34398</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no doubt these are intelligent women who command a great deal of respect in thier own right. But I can&#039;t help but feel that defining themselves as a womens group will work against them as it smacks of prejudice against men who have to be 50% of thier market, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no doubt these are intelligent women who command a great deal of respect in thier own right. But I can&#8217;t help but feel that defining themselves as a womens group will work against them as it smacks of prejudice against men who have to be 50% of thier market, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Tarzan</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-34332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>metarzan dot com  - would be a good name for a dating site...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>metarzan dot com  &#8211; would be a good name for a dating site&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tarzan</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-34331</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Me Tarzan...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Me Tarzan&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tarzan</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-34330</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Tarzan, you Jane!</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-34285</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a group that was set up in New Zealand a little while ago called WIFT (Women in Film and Televison).

A mate of mine who is a leading TV producer over there promptly set up an alternative, informal group called MIFT (Men in Film and Televison).

A surprising number of people failed to see the humour in this ...

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a group that was set up in New Zealand a little while ago called WIFT (Women in Film and Televison).</p>
<p>A mate of mine who is a leading TV producer over there promptly set up an alternative, informal group called MIFT (Men in Film and Televison).</p>
<p>A surprising number of people failed to see the humour in this &#8230;</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Mr It's a Joke</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-33872</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr It's a Joke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am considering setting up a social media group purely for men.  The meeting will take place every evening in a pub.  In the bar where the meeting occurs, women will not be allowed in that bar.  I might organise for a dart board and a pool table to be included so that us blokes can occupy ourselves further, perhaps some cribbage too?  

We can crack jokes, chat about how our day went and generally kick back without any women asking silly questions and &#039;breathing down our necks...&#039;

(Have a look at the video I am linked to.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am considering setting up a social media group purely for men.  The meeting will take place every evening in a pub.  In the bar where the meeting occurs, women will not be allowed in that bar.  I might organise for a dart board and a pool table to be included so that us blokes can occupy ourselves further, perhaps some cribbage too?  </p>
<p>We can crack jokes, chat about how our day went and generally kick back without any women asking silly questions and &#8216;breathing down our necks&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>(Have a look at the video I am linked to.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t all gurus self proclaimed? Doesn&#039;t self proclamation attract followers who then &quot;second&quot; the self proclamation? I mean all websites are essentially a form of proclamation. And social networking is group-facilitated self proclamation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t all gurus self proclaimed? Doesn&#8217;t self proclamation attract followers who then &#8220;second&#8221; the self proclamation? I mean all websites are essentially a form of proclamation. And social networking is group-facilitated self proclamation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim P</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-32803</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Tim, &#039;ever think of changing &quot;mUmBRELLA&quot; to &quot;Solipsistics Daily&quot;...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Tim, &#8216;ever think of changing &#8220;mUmBRELLA&#8221; to &#8220;Solipsistics Daily&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-32763</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>proud to say the wonderful Kristin Rohan arrived to #digicitz last night while the conversation was still happening. As I thought, there is room for everyone! (Who would&#039;ve thought it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proud to say the wonderful Kristin Rohan arrived to #digicitz last night while the conversation was still happening. As I thought, there is room for everyone! (Who would&#8217;ve thought it!)</p>
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		<title>By: Anon1</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/self-proclaimed-social-media-gurus-the-very-idea-of-it-19988#comment-32755</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creating a gender ghetto is not the way to redress imbalances and increase integration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creating a gender ghetto is not the way to redress imbalances and increase integration.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Liam. 

And everyone, after all this to-ing and fro-ing between camps, I am pleased to declare the winner... MUMBRELLA! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Liam. </p>
<p>And everyone, after all this to-ing and fro-ing between camps, I am pleased to declare the winner&#8230; MUMBRELLA! <img src='http://mumbrella.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>58 Comments.

This is the most popular subject on here. 

It does suggest that social media does quite like a chat. Still it is &#039;social&#039;media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>58 Comments.</p>
<p>This is the most popular subject on here. </p>
<p>It does suggest that social media does quite like a chat. Still it is &#8216;social&#8217;media.</p>
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