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	<title>Comments on: Shock! Why Murdoch may be more right than wrong about Google</title>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-21846</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has attained extraordinary success with their brand. Whether they achieve long lasting iconic status remains to be seen in the long run.  But they&#039;re off to a great start.

Rupert isn’t dumb but will need his smartest people around him now. His ability to make a turn around with News lies in truly understanding his audience and making an offer they  consider to be unique and differentiating. 

It’s as simple and difficult as that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has attained extraordinary success with their brand. Whether they achieve long lasting iconic status remains to be seen in the long run.  But they&#8217;re off to a great start.</p>
<p>Rupert isn’t dumb but will need his smartest people around him now. His ability to make a turn around with News lies in truly understanding his audience and making an offer they  consider to be unique and differentiating. </p>
<p>It’s as simple and difficult as that!</p>
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		<title>By: Willzter</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-21630</link>
		<dc:creator>Willzter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not disagree more with the daft notion that traffic spikes do not bring extra revenue. We reguarly experience traffic spikes and revenues go up right along with the traffic. 

Saying the opposite simply signals the paucity of your ad serving/repping. The problem you have is that your ad delivery package is not targeting ads to your visitor&#039;s profile/interests. Consider signing up Google Adsense for an effective TARGETED ad serving solution. Lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not disagree more with the daft notion that traffic spikes do not bring extra revenue. We reguarly experience traffic spikes and revenues go up right along with the traffic. </p>
<p>Saying the opposite simply signals the paucity of your ad serving/repping. The problem you have is that your ad delivery package is not targeting ads to your visitor&#8217;s profile/interests. Consider signing up Google Adsense for an effective TARGETED ad serving solution. Lol.</p>
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		<title>By: LeBain</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-21420</link>
		<dc:creator>LeBain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A colleague forwarded me a link to your original story on the 9th. On that day I was a bounce. I had no idea who you were or what your site was about.

Today I dug up my IM history to re-read the story. Then I saw this followup. That&#039;s the beginning of a relationship.

I&#039;m in Seattle, so I&#039;m still probably not your target audience, and might even be considered a waste of bandwidth. But if I weren&#039;t, or if you had a different audience, that original link might have been the start of a commercial relationship.

That&#039;s what Rupert&#039;s sites need to do: build a relationship with people who might not have otherwise known about your site. It doesn&#039;t happen with the first click. It might happen with the 3rd, or the 10th, or the 100th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague forwarded me a link to your original story on the 9th. On that day I was a bounce. I had no idea who you were or what your site was about.</p>
<p>Today I dug up my IM history to re-read the story. Then I saw this followup. That&#8217;s the beginning of a relationship.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Seattle, so I&#8217;m still probably not your target audience, and might even be considered a waste of bandwidth. But if I weren&#8217;t, or if you had a different audience, that original link might have been the start of a commercial relationship.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Rupert&#8217;s sites need to do: build a relationship with people who might not have otherwise known about your site. It doesn&#8217;t happen with the first click. It might happen with the 3rd, or the 10th, or the 100th.</p>
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		<title>By: 3 key things publishers need to understand about Google &#171; sponge-ist</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-21347</link>
		<dc:creator>3 key things publishers need to understand about Google &#171; sponge-ist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is no low quality traffic &#8211; only low quality content. This is Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s whinge about Google: “If they’re just search people and there are  ten, 20, 50 references on that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is no low quality traffic &#8211; only low quality content. This is Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s whinge about Google: “If they’re just search people and there are  ten, 20, 50 references on that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: adwrighty</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-21259</link>
		<dc:creator>adwrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought the paid content idea would be a real challenge to get up. Then this research from the Boston Consulting Group: http://ow.ly/DfNT 48% of Americans would pay and nearly 60% of people in some European countries. 

I still think it will be a challenge and require some real differentiation and improvement on current offerings. But still, very interesting findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought the paid content idea would be a real challenge to get up. Then this research from the Boston Consulting Group: <a href="http://ow.ly/DfNT" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/DfNT</a> 48% of Americans would pay and nearly 60% of people in some European countries. </p>
<p>I still think it will be a challenge and require some real differentiation and improvement on current offerings. But still, very interesting findings.</p>
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		<title>By: News is not niche &#8211; Pure Poison</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-21091</link>
		<dc:creator>News is not niche &#8211; Pure Poison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This culminated in Mumbrella founder Tim Burrows changing his thinking somewhat, declaring that Murdoch may be right and writing a piece for The Australian along similar [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This culminated in Mumbrella founder Tim Burrows changing his thinking somewhat, declaring that Murdoch may be right and writing a piece for The Australian along similar [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoch and Google redux - mUmBRELLA</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20926</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch and Google redux - mUmBRELLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote a story earlier this week about Rupert Murdoch. At the time of writing, I thought that he was pretty much wrong. But based on what happened when that story went viral, I think he may have a point.   Read more &#187; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I wrote a story earlier this week about Rupert Murdoch. At the time of writing, I thought that he was pretty much wrong. But based on what happened when that story went viral, I think he may have a point.   Read more &raquo; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20876</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 20 employees and they are welcome to use the internet to read the news pre 9am and at lunchtime (most of them do.)  I will not allow them to pay to read news.  They will have to read it on the ABC etc...

Mr Murdoch: When do people go online to read news and where?  You need to engage the bosses.  have you thought this through?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 20 employees and they are welcome to use the internet to read the news pre 9am and at lunchtime (most of them do.)  I will not allow them to pay to read news.  They will have to read it on the ABC etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Mr Murdoch: When do people go online to read news and where?  You need to engage the bosses.  have you thought this through?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20869</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think it make a difference for Google as they have many other sources of news they have access to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think it make a difference for Google as they have many other sources of news they have access to.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20823</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he follows up on his &quot;threat,&quot; all Murdoch is going to do is subtract the web visitors he otherwise would&#039;ve gotten daily via Google et al. No one - and I mean not one - is going to say &quot;Oh crap, I can&#039;t see Rupert&#039;s news items for free anymore, so I better surf over there and buy a subscription.&quot; They will simply read news of interest to them from publications available via Google et al.

And Rupert&#039;s publications will lose influence in proportion to the number of people who used to read them before the building of his mighty pay wall.

Meanwhile, it&#039;s a farce that media members constantly point to the Wall Street Journal as one of the new supposedly successful web pay walls in existence. In truth, the publication has far less paid subscribers than they claim. I know people in nearby Houston (Texas) who were laid off from a particular financial services company four years ago. At the time, each employee there was given a WSJ online account (for which you can bet the company did not pay anything approaching &quot;full price&quot;). Today, all those people still can access their accounts.

No one is paying for them, and the WSJ knows that full well (or if they don&#039;t, their accountants are idiots). Yet they don&#039;t remove anyone from the roles, because it&#039;s worth more to them to charge their advertisers based on fluffed up and fictional paid-subscriber numbers.

Finally, while I don&#039;t know about his other holdings, Mr. Murdoch has seriously weakened the WSJ&#039;s standing as a trusted source of business news. If you&#039;re going to start charging for web content, I would think the proper formula would be to improve the content first, then charge for it. But he&#039;s going at it the other way around.

Good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he follows up on his &#8220;threat,&#8221; all Murdoch is going to do is subtract the web visitors he otherwise would&#8217;ve gotten daily via Google et al. No one &#8211; and I mean not one &#8211; is going to say &#8220;Oh crap, I can&#8217;t see Rupert&#8217;s news items for free anymore, so I better surf over there and buy a subscription.&#8221; They will simply read news of interest to them from publications available via Google et al.</p>
<p>And Rupert&#8217;s publications will lose influence in proportion to the number of people who used to read them before the building of his mighty pay wall.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, it&#8217;s a farce that media members constantly point to the Wall Street Journal as one of the new supposedly successful web pay walls in existence. In truth, the publication has far less paid subscribers than they claim. I know people in nearby Houston (Texas) who were laid off from a particular financial services company four years ago. At the time, each employee there was given a WSJ online account (for which you can bet the company did not pay anything approaching &#8220;full price&#8221;). Today, all those people still can access their accounts.</p>
<p>No one is paying for them, and the WSJ knows that full well (or if they don&#8217;t, their accountants are idiots). Yet they don&#8217;t remove anyone from the roles, because it&#8217;s worth more to them to charge their advertisers based on fluffed up and fictional paid-subscriber numbers.</p>
<p>Finally, while I don&#8217;t know about his other holdings, Mr. Murdoch has seriously weakened the WSJ&#8217;s standing as a trusted source of business news. If you&#8217;re going to start charging for web content, I would think the proper formula would be to improve the content first, then charge for it. But he&#8217;s going at it the other way around.</p>
<p>Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasmeen</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20799</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasmeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate to compare mumbrella with Murdoch&#039;s sites. As you said Tim, this is a industry specific, specialist site with a very clearly targeted audience. The reason your short-term audience didn&#039;t last was because the rest of the content on the site wasn&#039;t relevant to them. I don&#039;t think you can say the same for your average news viewer and theaustralian.com.au. 

That said, I agree that most Google-directed traffic to mainstream news sites probably doesn&#039;t become loyal overnight either. But you don&#039;t NEED most of it. You only need a little bit; it adds up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s appropriate to compare mumbrella with Murdoch&#8217;s sites. As you said Tim, this is a industry specific, specialist site with a very clearly targeted audience. The reason your short-term audience didn&#8217;t last was because the rest of the content on the site wasn&#8217;t relevant to them. I don&#8217;t think you can say the same for your average news viewer and theaustralian.com.au. </p>
<p>That said, I agree that most Google-directed traffic to mainstream news sites probably doesn&#8217;t become loyal overnight either. But you don&#8217;t NEED most of it. You only need a little bit; it adds up.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20795</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s weird of murdoch to say this when in 2007 and 2008 news digital were one of the most active users of SEM to drive traffic to their mastheads in AU and as a company would have easily been one of Google&#039;s biggest clients across news and classifieds and sites like taste etc.

fairfax too do the same thing - buying terms like &#039;Big Day Out&#039; and &#039;music festivals&#039; and driving traffic to The Vine - I guess &quot;clearly transitory Google traffic&quot; will do if you can&#039;t organically generate &quot;deeply engaged traffic&quot; 

the whole debate is getting so confusing. tim - it appears honourable that you acknowledge that this search driven audience isn&#039;t great for your advertisers ... I would hazard a guess no large website/publisher in AU really gives a toss about where their traffic comes from or how long they stay. A page view is a page view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s weird of murdoch to say this when in 2007 and 2008 news digital were one of the most active users of SEM to drive traffic to their mastheads in AU and as a company would have easily been one of Google&#8217;s biggest clients across news and classifieds and sites like taste etc.</p>
<p>fairfax too do the same thing &#8211; buying terms like &#8216;Big Day Out&#8217; and &#8216;music festivals&#8217; and driving traffic to The Vine &#8211; I guess &#8220;clearly transitory Google traffic&#8221; will do if you can&#8217;t organically generate &#8220;deeply engaged traffic&#8221; </p>
<p>the whole debate is getting so confusing. tim &#8211; it appears honourable that you acknowledge that this search driven audience isn&#8217;t great for your advertisers &#8230; I would hazard a guess no large website/publisher in AU really gives a toss about where their traffic comes from or how long they stay. A page view is a page view.</p>
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		<title>By: snoop</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20793</link>
		<dc:creator>snoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t think jack can help you jerrys...afr,com isn&#039;t part of fairfax digital.  it&#039;s managed by the good people at the financial review.  everything i&#039;ve read from fd suggests they don&#039;t believe in pay walls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t think jack can help you jerrys&#8230;afr,com isn&#8217;t part of fairfax digital.  it&#8217;s managed by the good people at the financial review.  everything i&#8217;ve read from fd suggests they don&#8217;t believe in pay walls.</p>
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		<title>By: Is Murdoch Handing Google a Ransom Note? &#171; J. Nelson Leith</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20775</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Murdoch Handing Google a Ransom Note? &#171; J. Nelson Leith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Still,  it could very well be true that Murdoch thinks he can firm up the archaic up-front pay model.  Although some web gurus think this means he doesn&#8217;t understand the value of viral web-linking (which would be scuttled if shared links to Murdoch&#8217;s sites called up a subscription page rather than content), fellow Aussie Tim Burrowes thinks Murdoch&#8217;s strategy may be based on the idea that a smaller, devoted, paying audience will brin.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Still,  it could very well be true that Murdoch thinks he can firm up the archaic up-front pay model.  Although some web gurus think this means he doesn&#8217;t understand the value of viral web-linking (which would be scuttled if shared links to Murdoch&#8217;s sites called up a subscription page rather than content), fellow Aussie Tim Burrowes thinks Murdoch&#8217;s strategy may be based on the idea that a smaller, devoted, paying audience will brin&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jerrys</title>
		<link>http://mumbrella.com.au/shock-why-murdoch-may-be-more-right-than-wrong-about-google-11482#comment-20767</link>
		<dc:creator>jerrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Jack. Tell us the AFR story.  Or if he won&#039;t come on Tim. Write the story about possibly the planet&#039;s second longest running newspaper paywall - our very own www.afr.com.au. 

In this whole discussion the silence is deafening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Jack. Tell us the AFR story.  Or if he won&#8217;t come on Tim. Write the story about possibly the planet&#8217;s second longest running newspaper paywall &#8211; our very own <a href="http://www.afr.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.afr.com.au</a>. </p>
<p>In this whole discussion the silence is deafening.</p>
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