Not that Dr Mumbo would ever want to accuse those in the recruitment industry of being vultures, but waiting less than two hours from news of BMF losing out on the CommBank pitch doesn’t smack entirely of class.
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Just being savvy really. Why wouldn’t you.
And really.. since when was advertising about class?
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couldn’t agree with you more Dr Mumbo.
yet another example of why recruiters have such a poor reputation and are very very rarely trusted.
perhaps contacting HR directly to put up thier hand to assist those looking at retrenchment would have been a far more “decent” thing to do?
Come on recruiters, lift your game. Customer Service, Integrity, Going the extra mile….??? After all ‘You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar’
Not that I think old David Jackson lives by that rule.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S__KdiIBvU
no you are right, better of that they let those made redundant stay unemployed, god knows they are better off going on the dole and our taxes paying their wage.
if they can find jobs on their own good on em, if they can’t hopefully someone can help!
any excuse to slag off recruiters..
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I can’t see anything wrong with their ad…
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I think you missed the breaking news and now are playing catch-up….How would you feel if you were made redundant and didn’t have a job Tim?
Considering there’s two games of cricket this weekend I’m sure the x BMF staffers could do with a decent recruiter placing them!
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“Decent recruiter?”
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David,
My apologies. I mistakenly thought you were trying to capitalise on others’ misfortunes by racing to sign them up as candidates before your rivals did. Clearly that’s not the case at all.
I now realise that you were motivated only by altruism. I’m betting you’ll be waving your commission to help get these people a new job.
(Not sure quite what you mean about missing the breaking news though. You do know Mumbrella broke the CommBank story?)
Cheers,
Tim – Mumbrella
Just so everyone is aware, at S2M we pride ourselves on candidate care and helping people find that perfect job. When people lose their jobs, they don’t always know where to start and I have no shame in helping people find work. It’s my job…
Save your negative comments for people who care Dr Mumbo!
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Must be a tough blow when a specialist recruitment agency – who’s job it is to find people work – breaks news quicker than Dr Mumbo! Slacking on a Friday hey, very unprofessional I say!
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Hi JealousMuch?
I can’t help but notice that you share an IP address with the previous commenters from S2M.
And when you say “broke the news quicker”, you may mean “saw the news on Mumbrella and posted a tweet a couple of hours later”.
Cheers,
Tim – Mumbrella
@ Dr Mumbo. Couple of interesting comments, primarily the sheer hypocrisy of your statement regards to “being classy” when you’re churning out tabloid style commentary on an action that really merits no public attention
Surely the opposing argument is that we at S2M are in-tune with our market, connected to those within it and offering to try and assist those that may or may not fall victim to the axe that will inevitably be wielded. The fact we posted this comment 2 hrs after news was broken and that it’s made it to the commentary section of the most visited site in the marketing & media industry is nothing but testament to the power of our social networks. If this action is deemed as underhanded, in bad taste or otherwise then I can’t help but pray for your poor sensitive souls. The daily newspaper must have you in tears
Recruiters, for the vast majority, have a poor (and deservedly so) reputation. However there are those of us that take genuine pride in what we do and provide valuable networks to those we partner with. What is baffling however is how people in certain quarters find it irresistible to jump on the most trivial of events and turn it into a stick to beat us with.
I guess the ultimate barometer as to how “classy” our actions have been will come from those at BMF
@notagain – If you’re brave enough to name our CEO in your commentary then step away from your anonymous guise and stand behind your words. Or perhaps you don’t want to do that as your one of those lovely people that has a crack in public yet bangs on our door when you’re next out of work
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Matt Chambers
Melbourne Team Lead – S2M
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This would be helpful if S2M actually replied to emails.
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Hold on a minute
If a recruitment company can help retrenched people get jobs, that’s a good thing. Many other industries get consultants in to help with retrenchments and find other roles. Our shiteous industry does not help people at all when this happens, so what’s the problem?
The issue with class is maybe BMF retrenching staff the day the news hit. Or not trying to find them other positions with a level of diligence, which given the time frame couldn’t have happened. The issue is with the HR not the recruiters, Don’t blame the recruiters for seizing an opportunity.
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Wow. Dr Mumbo getting his arse handed to him. Can’t believe i agree with a recruiter either.
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@ Matt Chambers I guess some of us look at the message you broadcasted at a very sensitive time as a bit distasteful, and wonder, as suggested by @notagain, if you could have put yourself forward more discreetly within the relevant networks you have nurtured.
Careful use of relevant media might have been a better option at this time.
It’s like expecting a pat on the back when you find out my mother died and shout your sympathy for me from a rooftop.
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psst Tim don’t tell s2m about the smartphones……think that’s an oxymoron over there anyway
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I personally think that the tweet is crass. It’s more the tone that I have a problem with as it does sound very ‘grabby’ and desperate. I’m also really surprised by the comments in response to this article. They seem to be attacking the very industry that they are supposedly supporting.
My feeling is that a ‘good recruiter’ will already have relationships and a reputation in the industry so these people should know exactly where to turn when they need help.
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I think we all just need to hug it out.
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@rob – I struggle to see the relevance of the analogy you’ve put forward. We haven’t asked nor suggested we be praised for doing our job. What we’ve requested is that we not be unfairly criticised by those with a chip on their shoulder
It’s more like us sending you a card offering to help with flower arrangements because we know a good florist.
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I agree with @rob in terms of the delivery and sensitive timing of the nature.
Also for all the comments from S2M staff, I’m curious as to whether you’ve had your comments reviewed and approved before pressing send?
May have been an option for the Tweet as well?
Best of luck.
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S2M didn’t even reply to my emails about finding work.
Not sure I got any ‘candidate care’
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Tim/Dr. Mumbo/Mumbrella/whoever,
You’re accusing S2M of jumping on a business opp by taking advantage of people’s misfortune.
I read this story becuase i saw your tweet “Get your popcorn” with a link to this negative story which serves only to drive traffic to your website.
That’s your job, it’s not particularly classy, neither is mine on most days.
Hate to be all cliche, but glasses houses bla bla
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“Not that Dr Mumbo would ever want to accuse those in the recruitment industry of being vultures..”
Then don’t?
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@Tim…best to get your facts right mate…we tweeted this and posted to LinkedIn some three hours ago, after a call from the powers that be….so what, that makes it about 12 noon…..from what I can see you broke this story after 2pm…..sorry buddy, if your looking for a new Dr Mumbo I’d be happy to reduce my fee to 21%! Enjoy the cricket.
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If the offending tweet offered a more conciliatory tone, then I think fair enough. “sorry to hear that”, “don’t or made them feel a bit more valuable, it may have come across better.
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Seriously, who gives a fark? There are far bigger problems in the world than this dribble.
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@ Matt Chambers your twitter message in the BMF case is akin to you placing an ad in the paper that says “hey rob, we hear there’s been a death in the family, we know a good florist”. it lacks finesse and class.
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Hi David,
Our story about BMF being defeated in the pitch was at 9.45am. https://mumbrella.com.au/commbank-appoints-mc-saatchi-74828
I’m with @Bertram I don’t see an issue with the Tweet… lets keep in mind it is a tweet (140 characters) so perfect wording isn’t always possible. I think that it’s great if they can help some out of work people get a job… What’s with all the negativity? Why don’t we look at it like they were the first to lend a hand? Let’s just help the people who need help why don’t we?
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Copy that mumbrella…..That’s correct, and the story about redundancies was when? After S2M broke the news about them. Over and out!
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First point, if I’d just got shafted I’d be more than happy to see a recruiter put their hand up.
Secondly, it’s twitter. Not a place exactly known for long, well written comments and articles.
Finally, seriously? This is newsworthy to begin with?
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@ David Jackson picking a fight with Tim about who broke the story first is making this a lot grubbier than it already was……..you guys would do yourselves a favour by slinking off quietly and letting this peter out, not continuing to feed it.
oh, and enjoy the cricket
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Perhaps the most cynical thing is taking this discussion thread and tweeting it with the comment “got your popcorn”. My personal opinion, not that of my employer or anyone else. Bottom line is some people with families and mortgages may lose their jobs, and that sucks. Happens all the time in adland, banks, airlines, but it sucks
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Recruitment company offers services to unemployed; media site publishes irrelevant drivel in the absence of anything interesting, and battle of the ego’s over who saw it first.
Everything is just how it should be.
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I broke this story three days ago! I just forgot to post it, but I wish I had because the world would be a much better place.
My IP address might be David Jackson’s yacht or it might be Tim’s church, I can’t remember which iPad2 I picked up.
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If that was your bum in the street I’m sure none of you complaining would have a problem with that tweet. Get over it.
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I feel compelled to type a few more digits – http://www.s2m.com.au/news/201.....ssy-/?4623
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Twice in the last three years, I’ve found myself in the job market and I’ve always been really impressed in my dealings with Matt from S2M in Melbourne. Approachable, responsive and respectful; qualities which are generally lacking in the broader recruitment industry. While some people think the tweet may not be classy, Matt’s a good operator.
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Nasty, nasty, nasty… I’m with @ Marshy… lets all just hug it out!!
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I’m going to go into bat for Matt here as well. I’m not the biggest fan of recruiters, particularly given the LinkedIn spam, but Matt is all class. I’ve dealt with him on a number of occasions, and he stands well above any I’ve ever dealt with before. If I were retrenched, I’d want him on my side.
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Let’s see more of this type of conduct going on.
When there’s a plane disaster, rival airlines could tweet about how the families of the survivors can use their planes to get to the funerals, or when there’s a horrendous car accident, rival car makers could tweet about their safety features.
Better yet, when a riot breaks out in Egypt, a clothing maker could tweet about how excited the rioters are about their new season’s fashions – oh that’s right, it has been done already.
There’s a fine line between public service and crass commercialism, largely defined by the level of profiteering by the company concerned.
Where the message is one of support “we know how hard it can be to suddenly have your work circumstances change, we’d like to help you move forward, and will reduce our fees by 20%” I think this approach can work and it build lifelong customers.
However where it looks simply to be commercial there is real danger of upsetting more people, and losing more business, than you gain.
It is also worth noting that regardless of the reputation of a profession – any profession, most of the people working in it believe they are different from all the other people/companies in that profession, that they offer high quality service and have genuine pride in their work.
That self-pride and belief does little to make the market see them as different. This goes for politicians, used car sales people, journalists, advertising executives, public servants and other professions as well as recruiters.
Personally I believe most recruiters try to do a good job, however what differentiates them is their actions.
This tweet wasn’t a particularly well structured action, although I accept that the intention was good.
Remember, we judge ourselves by our intentions, but judge others by their actions.
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I didn’t think there was anything wrong with the Tweet but then I read the aggressive comments from S2M staff on this article and now realise they do in fact lack any class. When will companies/staff that are mentioned in articles realise NOT to comment negatively/attack people on these articles? Morons
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Companies should make it clear to their staff that if the company is trending, sit back, consult, deep breath and then rationally and calmy post a response, if need be.
I think a few members of the S2M team might have had Friday drinkypoo’s and knee jerk reacted, resulting in this spiraling out of control?
Hey ho, what’s done is done I guess.
Good luck to the guys seeking jobs. Chin up, look forwards and stay positive – you will find one!!
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This is just incredibly insensitive of S2M.
Like most people, when I lose a job, I enter a sustained period of mourning that can last up to 5 years. The last thing I want is to be bothered by people offering me a new job! I mean, I’ve only just lost my OLD job, how can I even THINK about things like paying my mortgage, or feeding my children at this time! I’m not a MONSTER!
I think The Simpsons said it best:
“What is wrong with this country?!? Can’t a man walk down the street without being offered a job?!?!”
[/sarcasm]
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There is an old saying: “Fighting with the media is like wrestling with pigs. You may win but you will get dirty.”
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As an Asia Pacific recruiter with some cross-cultural time my comment here:
1- Firstly, anything ‘digital’ is and will always be synonymous with all things speedy, logic-biased, and inherently impatient. Everyone needs to make room for each other’s quirks, and in this case everyone needs to scale down a touch in the anger department regarding the speed and aggression with which digital operators have acted with their pet media tool. And if you can’t, or refuse to, then at least commit to try and build a bridge over the next few years, you’ll need it as digital and gen Ys are not going anywhere but onwards and upwards.
In any case that’s where the continual clash of perceptions comes from that we are lucky enough to be observing in this thread. There is (and will remain for some time) a gulf between the more stoic, stable, and honorific-centred traditional/creative strains of the industry, the bigger agencies, and the small, nimble, more reactive digital “momentum-at-all-costs” new kids on the block.
Both have their strengths, both need to learn from and accept each other’s preferences if at all possible.
#2- Recruitment being what it is, will never be welcome on the same stage as the industry it is immersed in. Period. Not accepting this will mean that eventually the only stage you will be on is the one leaving town at dusk! 🙂
Despite what I try and do and display as a loyal, humble and caring recruiter, I always have to accept that in the eyes of 90% of all people I will always be viewed as just another recruiter. I think I’m a lion but I’m always viewed as a hyena. And rightly so when you think about stereotypes honestly, I mean recruitment per se is in many respects nothing more than a kind of mafiosa tax collection!! Nobody loves and wants to hear from the recruitment industry, and it would be a weird world in which people did.
I need to understand, accept, and continually remind myself of that and carry on my great work in the background, without the need or want for any recognition, and without attracting any attention to myself in any way. And in any time of accusation, a great recruiter falls on his/her sword, offering immediate apology as their default response and stating what s/he has done that could have been taken the wrong way. Everything always works out well if that happens.
The true art of recruitment is surely rising above at all costs, and certainly putting issues to bed better than anyone else in any other profession. As measured marriage counsellor and non-stop bullet-taker. Certainly not as town crier.
Not a great idea going to blows with Tim Burrows either I would have thought, as you’ll see he does favour truth and fairness over all else if you review his work.
Chilax everyone let’s all flick the banks in the nostril piece, not each other! 🙂
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Blah blah blah blah. It’s easy to sit back and bash a recruiter huh?
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@S2M all I hear is blah blah blah. why not concentrate on (what you are supposed to) be good at. your reputation in the market place is churn and burn, and not on providing the market with quality insight and delivering on service. So why pretend??? #arecruitersimplytryingtodohsjob
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Wow! Interesting reading here!!
@Matt Chambers. Umm excuse me? Have a look at the tone all S2M staffers have taken in this forum. All I’m reading (especially from your CEO) is vinegar vinegar vinegar. Want to see some honey? Take a look http://goo.gl/nY33X
Now who do you think is going to be more successful?
Case in point. Get your daggers out and come at me!!
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Will you please stop calling them Recruiters!
They are ‘talent brokers’.
Quite different from recruiters:
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....=Recruiter
Urban Dictionary says a “recruiter” is:
1. A French word meaning bullshit artist.
2. The most hardcore soldiers in the US Army.
3. One who seeks enjoyment (consisting primarily of long nights of chronic masturbation)
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Matt chambers wins, game, set and match.
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@Archie.
How on earth does Matt Chambers win? And win what exactly? If a win is proving that his whole company is full of agressive, spiteful vultures then yes, the does win.
How ever the arguement was how best to manage a delecate situation like redundancies. Everyone here except S2M staffers agree they could have done it better.
Hey Tim?? Does Archie’s IP address match the previous guys from S2M??
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Could companies stop pretending to be charities? Seriously, you’re not “helping” people, you’re making money – which is the point of any business.
I’ll believe you’re in the business of “helping” people when you start taking on unprofitable clients. (Or, y’know, actually becoming a charity.)
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I’ve been in contact and been approached by 2SM half a dozen times over the years. Their attitude towards me was appalling. Would never recommend or use them again. Dr Mumbo isn’t perfect but he’s better than those guys.
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