Social media guru: If you challenge my postings then you just don’t understand (you smug prick)
Dr Mumbo posts this morning’s Twitter exchange between self-proclaimed “Online Communities Strategist, Goddess of the Social Media workshop” Laurel Papworth and Sound Alliance’s Ben Shepherd without further comment:
The first link came a few days ago from Papworth, aka @silkcharm:
“Fanpages: List of top 100+ Australian Facebook Fan Pages http://bit.ly/dhjPDN”
Today Shepherd posted:
“so laurel papworth deletes blog comments that question what she says around the ‘top 100 facebook fan pages’ … that’s rather antisocial”
Silkcharm: “@Shepherd I haven’t deleted any comments. And if you use @SilkCharm I can find tweets easier :)”
Shepherd: “@SilkCharm your list is innaccurate … tim (Hardaker) posted a comment on the blog … it’s now gone. why do a list if it’s not correct? pointless.”
Silkcharm: “@Shepherd I realise you don’t understand collaboration and I’m cool with that :)”
Silkcharm: “@Shepherd I can see Tim‘s comment directly above yours. It’s NOT gone. And I used his comment to add InTheMix to the list.”
Shepherd: “@SilkCharm wasn’t there when i posted and neither were any of the sites … still a lot missing (Big Day Out etc – why is that?)”
Silkcharm: “@Shepherd … because I am adding them as people put them in comments. I leave the comment and add the site. is this hard to understand??”
Shepherd: “@SilkCharm quit being so condescending …”
Silkcharm: “@Shepherd apology accepted :)”
Shepherd: “@SilkCharm my question is why you’d have a list called ‘Top 100’ when it wasn’t fully accurate. “is this so hard to understand” oh please ..”
Silkcharm: “@Shepherd you really are an smug prick as your profile suggests. Works well for your clients does it? Antagonising everyone I mean… :P”
Shepherd: “@SilkCharm heh ‘smug prick’. question remains why do a top 100 when it’s just a random assortment of pages and not accurate?”
Don’t want to comment on the exchange per se. But jees it bugs me when people use emoticons like that. You can’t call someone a smug prick and end with a smiley face.
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I can barely wait for the next exciting installment
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can we stop calling people ‘gurus’ please? so what if laurel papworth and others talk up their social media creds, we are all in the business of selling ourselves, how many cvs really tell it like it is? “pretty good at strategy, a bit shit at pr but I do my best”.
and she published the top 100 pages on her personal blog, so what? no disrespect to what I’m sure is a well trafficked blog, but its hardly the ‘journal of consumer research’. i don’t see her claiming it to be the definitive list or anything…
all a bit pointless really, can i now please have back the 20 minutes I spent reading and thinking abou this.
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“Smug prick”?
I long for a return to the days of proper, upsettingly horrific abuse. The stuff that makes you double check the nuts on the wheels of your car to make sure they haven’t been loosened. As a young journo I once got a call from a then Federal Treasurer that made me weep like a girl – right in the middle of the newsroom. It made me cry, not just from fear but from the absolute beauty in this man’s seemingly nonchalant ability to string 38 swear words together in one sentence.
Alas, one of the results of this move toward shorted communicative platforms is a dire lack of full-scale aggression. Step it up people… Step. It. Up.
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Hey Tim, are you losing UB’s on mumbrella? Is this why you have to post polarising topics of no real substance?
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Twitter – a forum for indigo children unable to delay gratification. I prefer it in my head where I always have the last word
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I’d like to nominate Roger Ramjet’s comment for Comment of the Year. Or at least Month.
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It’s as if their egos are so fantastically huge that they can’t use email or (shudder) a phone to big note themselves.
Oh.
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Nope all good on that front, thanks very much, anonymous: http://amnesiablog.wordpress.c.....lla-vs-bt/
But based on the number of DMs I received flagging it up, the exchange is of relative interest.
Cheers,
Tim – Mumbrella
This post does nothing to make the “social media fraternity” look any more professional, insightful or mature.
There is a reason that I don’t want to be known as an expert in the field (and I do a lot of work for a lot of big clients) is that it’s the kiss of death these days.
To be fair to @silkcharm she has built her business on being an expert and in a lot of ways she has the tenure and experience to claim that (whether you like her or not).
Blogging traffic generation 101 dictates making a top ten what the heck ever list and that’s what she did. Ben is just being antagonisitc, however if she really did delete a comment that’s not kosher (and considering the amount of Laurel haters I doubt she’d do that).
In the end the only losers here are people like me that work in the industry and Mumbrella for posting what is really just troll fest of a post 😕
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That Laurel Papworth sounds like the biggest (edited by Mumbrella)
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Do these people do any actual work, or just have pissing competitions all day? They both sound like twats to me.
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can’t believe i wasted time reading this…. really….
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Best article ever
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Riveting journalism
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LOL @Ben S … *Laughs out aloud*
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Virtual handbags
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@NikeE
I too agree that Rojer Ramjet’s comment is easily the comment of the year.
Roger, what was the 38-swear-word rant?
“edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, “edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, “edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, “edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella, edited by Mumbrella”
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Everyone with professional experience in social media knows that one of the beautiful things about social media marketing or SMO is the feedback and discussion – either positive, negative, totally full of shite, off the subject or just excellently interesting…
I’m not sure name calling is part of the sales and meet and greet equation.
I guess the soo called Top 100 + Australian…Fans Pages should correctly be titled “A Growing List of the Top 100 Australian facebook fans pages – can you please contribute any other I’ve missed – because I’ve missed a few – and it’s a really hard list to compile etc etc etc… Thank-you.”
But this is a long title – isn’t it?
Anyway, christopher copywriter’s facebook fans page was also missed from this list – with 610+ fans (and growing rapidly daily) – and may be found @
http://www.facebook.com/pages/.....4296151226
Thank-you,
Chris.
P.S. (there are no “smug pricks” working in association within or with http://christophercopywriter.com – just good solid clients and good solid writers.)
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As that great wordsmith and practitioner of American Business enterprise, Zig Ziglar, once quipped –
“Statistics suggest that when customers complain, business owners and managers ought to get excited about it. The complaining customer represents a huge opportunity for more business.” ~ Zig Ziglar
Regards,
http://christophercopywriter.com
http://www.copywritingpublicre.....ydney.com/
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Social media can also masquerade as spam, apparently.
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in laurel’s defence, she took the term ‘smug prick’ from my bio on twitter …
Anyone who refers to themselves as a guru is generally not.
When email was invented did anyone claim to be an ’email guru’?
The world has gone mad.
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The trouble with online social platforms is that the maturity, intelligence & judgement of its so-called experts is laid out all to see – & criticise. Given the above interchange, perhaps that’s a good thing.
No wonder clients who are trying to make sense of this new space are confused with this type of rubbish being uploaded by people who should know better but clearly don’t.
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NGE – does every thread that mentions Social Media turn into some sort of sermon about this mystical ‘new space’ … boring …
Ben S – I’m with you; it IS boring. That’s simply re-stating the problem; so what’s the solution?
Rather than self-indulgent squabbles & bickering about who deleted what from where, how about focus on educating the marketplace about optimal ways to meet client needs – nothing mystical or new there. It might in fact be boring but that’s what’s needed.
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This kind of condescending, passive-aggressive Twitter exchange has all the hallmarks of cyberbullying!
Is ‘Cyberbully’ is the new ‘Social Media Expert’? Is there an expensive conference I can attend to learn more?
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This kind of condescending, passive-aggressive Twitter exchange has all the hallmarks of cyberbullying!
Is ‘Cyberbully’ the new ‘Social Media Expert’? Is there an expensive conference I can attend to learn more?
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Posted twice for truth.
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Interesting laurel that a comment I made yesterday has been deleted by you. It was a constructive criticism that clearly was too close to home so you got rid of it.
I always wondered why your comment stream was a laurel lovefest – due obviously to the fact you edit out anything that is not in keeping with the laurel cult.
Or was it Gary that deleted it?
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Yawn. When I see little schoolground squabbles like this, it tells me more about the participants (well, the snarky aggressive egotistical control-freak ones, such as LP) than any glossed-up ‘social media guru’ resume.
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One day something’s going to come along and make twatter and every other latest ‘social media’ look as primitive as IRC chat rooms. I’m guessing it will be Google that do it.
Until then, calling yourselves “guru’s” just makes me think of greasy snake-oil merchants and palm readers.
Although, now WAP’s finally busted into the mainstream, that description may be correct.
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@Fiorella Hehehe WAP – when I was at Vodafone in the late 90’s it was going to be the biggest thing EVER!
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Cyberbullying is serious people … I have been the victim and it cuts deep
Someone said this about me to a friend of mine … “I am interested in what makes someone work with someone like Ben? Is it that he is so rude he appears knowledgeable? I think he does a lot of brand damage …”
It was so hurtful. Still hurts. Some wounds take longer to heal than others.
Shame on you, bully who I won’t name …
Bullying in general amongst these social media guru types is alive and well, cyber or otherwise. I just don’t understand why such a field with huge promise is being marred by selfish, tyrannical individuals who can’t accept different views from their own. I just look at the whole thing and feel sad that what the public sees are whiny, immature children. It’s a sad state of affairs.
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Most of these comments, I’m sorry to say are completely misinformed, out of touch, unprofessional and have little, if any, value. They are the comments of the general public.
Social media by the way is mostly for the general public and includes blog posts like this one, on an article site such as mUmBRELLA.
There is only two people here who have had the common decency and credibility to include a contactable url.. Without this – you are all empty worded spammers and cowards. Isn’t this completely obvious? Anybody can write whatever they want, anywhere they want online, if NOBODY can track you down. Who cares what anonymous xyz has to say? It’s the #1 golden rule of Social Media. Be accountable – in a landscape full of spam.
If some elements of large corporations are still yet to fully embrace social media in Australia – it’s because they haven’t yet understood social media’s power or correct usage procedures.
Not just anyone has the skills and knowledge to make a marketing campaign work effectively. I think you’ll agree in your ‘serious thinking mind’ this is also obvious by the number of lame comments here.
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OMG guys, you’ve all highlighted exactly why parents have issues with their kids using social networking. Whatever happendd to picking up the damn phone to discuss a business issue like adults! This is an appalling demonstration of just how NOT to use social networking guys. Get over yourselves and act like the adults in business you’re supposed to be!
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tell me the Federal Treasurer in question was Paul Keating.
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Cant believe you automatically ruled out John Kerin?*
*This will only be funny to people aged 36 and above.
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christopher copywriter, I’d suggest the reason a lot of us posting here are anonymous is because we’re all in the industry and enjoy the interaction – we’re just not here to whore our wares or opinions.
And Tim does track us down, believe me.
And I’d also suggest the #1 Golden Rule of socia media is that you shouldn’t share yourself until you have something worth sharing – not just using it as a promotional channel for your marketing services business.
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I’m friends with Chris, but Christopher takes himself a bit seriously!
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Need to share this one: Former PM once asked me who I f****d to get my job! Well, not exactly, he asked the man next to me who I had f****d to get my job. Wow! Talk about abuse AND scorn AND meany meaness to a young girl. He has daughters too, silly old fool. How’s that for hard core?
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@Christopher Copywriter What a load of total rubbish Christopher (Not sure if that is your real surname…?)
Pen names have been around for 100’s of years for a reason; sometimes people like to vent, interact and be active in wider arena’s without revealing their real identities.
Christopher, not everyone wants to be famous and not everyone wants to plug their wares and sell themselves 24/7.
Not a lot of general public will be commenting on Mumbrella, I assure you. If they were we would see threads turn into abusive, awful, drivel, just like on Youtube (where people actually are signed in…)
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