Creative collective launches ‘happiness gadget’ sex toys, The Monkeys mulls product division

….so they’re hipster vibrators?

Now were all fucked

Great naming guys…

http://www.smilemakers.com/

Doogie Howser MD?

This is Sick. You’re trying to aim for a younger market (under16?) with these sex toys, a market that should be a NO GO for sex toys. Young children should not have access to sex toys… it’s why we DO have sex shops with strict regulations. Trying to ‘hide’ these sex toys behind ‘nice words’ and ‘pretty pictures’ is just dishonest. If I were a client of any of your company’s I would pull my business from you. This is one sick idea!

@Harry – How did you get to an under-16 target audience from this article? The stated audience is ‘curious women’ not school kids. I can’t figure out if you’re a mentalist or a troll but in the case of the latter, hats off I suppose.

Sorry Harry,

This is in no way an attempt to target people under 16. It’s a brand built on the idea that sexual health isn’t taboo. What’s really disappointing is how cynical that assumption is. I’m curious how you’ve come to such a conclusion?

There’s nothing being hidden’ and retailers can make up their own mind whether or not it’s right to stock the brand. As for clients firing someone, I don’t know who you mean – as this isn’t an agency project.

Micah

I think Harry’s comments may say more about what’s going on in his head than they do about the product

Maybe he clicked the http://www.smilemakers.com link and thought they were being sold via that site?

Given this product has such a young look and feel with the box design, avoids using the correct words on the pack (sex toy, masturbate device etc) and with no clear warnings or age icons display I feel it is trying to appeal to a younger (under 16) market. ‘Sex toy virgins’ as they are calling it. Add to this they are not to be sold in sex shops or 18+ web sites… who are they trying to appeal to. I feel this is both morally wrong and possible may even breaks Australian law.

One Tennis coach please 🙂

Micah, when is ‘The Englishman’ being launched? and can you describe it’s appearance? Nick

I think Harry came to the conclusion people aged younger that 18+ would have access to the Smile Makers as the story says that there is a deal in the pipeline to stock the product within health and beauty departments of chemists and department stores. He obviously has a strong view on the matter and thinks that stores may not have the restrictions that adult stores have in place. I’m sure those stores would set in place certain messures to ensure that the Smile makers are sold to the right audience and aren’t placed next to the Barbie doll’s

Nice. Taking the frame and experience away from the Toolshed / Anne Summers area.

Lovely branding, packaging and product design.

4.5/5 grunts. Or should they be groans?

Harry needs to get a root and calm down. Or maybe release some frustrations with a product like Smile Makers.

It’s sad that Mumbrella is too conservative to say SEX…what does that say about our industry.

Opps. Stet that my computer was playing funny buggers.

@Nick, I imagine ‘The Englishman’ will be white and skinny and not have many speed variations. I’m sure it would be incredibly funny though.

Micah
You say ‘There’s nothing being hidden’ so where is the clear age guide or 18+ age restriction on the box? I mean is it OK for a 16 year old to buy this? Is it OK for a 12 year old to buy this? What if the girl is younger than 12? What is being hidden here is clearly marking the ‘brand’ for what it is and that it is a sex toy.

Oh dear, Harry. Maybe they’ll make a butt plug just for you, sounds like you need some loosening up.

Was in Coles yesterday…yes Coles Supermarket… and noticed while buying some necessaries in the health aisle that there is a substantial range of products on the shelves designed to enhance bedroom shenanigans. There are products that glow in the dark, create ‘sensations’ via various erm…formats… and yes Harry, …even some that buzz. I didn’t see any teens skulking around that section for what it’s worth.

Go for it Micah et al. Best of luck.

Harry,

Fear not. I’m certain these sex toys won’t replace vegetables, deodorant cans, hair brushes and grubby digits in the teen repertoire.

Micah, I’d like to know what the various shaped knob features deliver in terms of different product experiences. I take it that they would have to add some functionality, or you would have left them with firemans helmet, Frenchy’s beret on the business end.

I know Starck and Newson always say they start with the user experience, and then add their aesthetics after they have nailed the experiential design.

I say good on you Micah and crew for giving Newson and Starck a new challenger.

Harry. The top of the box says ‘personal massager’ where retailers have asked for clarification.

I’m sorry you feel like we’re trying to trick someone, it’s actually not our intent at all. In more retailers than I can name – but safe to say many ‘mainstream’ – various of what you would call ‘sexual’ products already exist. It varies greatly country to country.

Individual retailers and laws mean shelf decisions, etc. vary from market to market. It was never and would never be designed for the ages you suggest, but we still stand by the idea that for people of age, sex shouldn’t be a dirty thing at all, but a healthy part of life.

As for the design. The absolute intent is for a friendly, playful and contemporary design. It’s not meant to be kid-like.

Gold Member. Each of the products are designed to provide a unique experience. The actual product engineers/designers made sure that the concept followed through to the experience as much as it could. Simply, they each have a different technique.

Harry, are you from the Christian lobby by any chance??

I think you should try the Frenchman to ease your troubles…

@Harry – since when do you have to actually be 18 to use sex toys? I am pretty sure the legal age to have sex in this country is 16? Plus, the way kids are going these days, I would prefer it if my kid (that is, if I had one) used sex toys, then went out there and had sex with other irresponsible teens!! Stop being a judgemental prude & maybe that 3-cell brain if yours could be a little more open minded to everyone who does not share your views!

Micah

That fact that a 13-year-old girl can walk into Coles or Woolworth and buy a sex toy in my eyes is not acceptable and I still believe your packaging does not strongly communicate what the product really is and lacks a large minimum age
noted on the design.
I also believe retailers are at fault here, trying to bend the law in order to gain sales. Cigarettes are hidden from view and placed behind counters so kids under 16 can not buy them, yet these ‘sex toys’ are out on the shelve for any age to buy.
Go figure

No Eddie,
Not from the Christian lobby, just a dad with a 13 year daughter.

Harry.

I’m also a father of two daughters.

I’m not trying to challenge your concern, just your conclusion at our motivation.

Micah

Harry please apologise to the nice people. They have made some toys that will make mummy very happy. Harry you have been a naughty boy.

Micah
I think your motivation to improve something is real and I don’t belive it was ever to sell sex toys to kids. But I feel that is where you have ended up. The design you selected, the language you carefully use when talking about it smacks of ‘spin’ and will appeal to a much younger audience. If this was a new kids magazine it would be fine… but it’s not, it’s a sex toy

Micah I think you should ignore Harry. Replying to him just baits more posts.

Of more interest is my ideas for the fifth and sixth in your series. I am seeing one really big and black, labelled “The Ghetto Blaster”, and number six for the young at heart, i’m seeing a tiny one with acne, called The Bieber”

What do you think Harry ?

Hello Harry,

it’s true that Australia has stricter regulation when it comes to selling sex toys and we need to abide by those laws. This is why we are not approaching any retailers here. However, in the rest of Asia, and in Europe and the US, you will already find vibrators from major brand such as Durex and Trojan stocked in everyday stores like Boots, Watsons etc. In fact, Durex has a 50 million pound business with their Play brand, which includes vibrators, vibrating rings, and lubricants.

For Australia, purchases are limited to online where we have technically blocked any purchase by credit card holders younger than 18. We also have an entire section under the “Support” section on the website with the following text:

“The Smile Makers brand and this website target adults only. We do not attempt to communicate with persons under the age of 18, neither directly in words nor indirectly through product or visual designs.

By viewing this website, or by purchasing our products, you agree that you are aged 18 or above. You further agree that you will not share this site, share the product with, or sell the product to anyone under the age of 18.”

In our discussions with retailers, our guidance is to shelve the products at eye-height fo adults, which is usually above where e.g. condoms, other vibrator brands and even alcohol are located. Regarding who buys the product in the store, our expectation is that our customers follow local legislation.

Regarding the brand appeal, actually the most passionate supporters so far have been women 35+. Our first online customer was over 60. She bought a Millionaire and sent us a mail saying “I already have one, but a little change never hurts at my age.”

Sincerely,
Ramblin’ Brands

Personally I think 12 year olds should be allowed to buy vibrators. When will we stop the discrimination against our nations youth?

@Harry I hope you’re not paying for flute lessons for your daughter.

How ironic, that when we as an industry actually produce the product itself, that it’s a tool to wank with. It’s official – advertising is full of wankers.

Harry,
Noting the traditional alternatives above, if she could afford one (how?!) why is it so terrible that she should want or use one?

Ramblin’ Brands

Thanks for the long answer, it has helped knowing you guys are more than just spin.

Hey Tin,
Go fuck yourself

this discussion just goes to prove the adage “you can talk about sex toys all you like, but Harry is the real dildo here”

AdGrunt
I have no problem with sex toys, I just don’t want then targeted at kids under 16’s … which i feel these are.

Hey Archie,
Better the dildo than the fucking arse hole it came out from mate

I think Harry had a point. This does seem to me
to be aimed at the teen market!

Harry

If a [insert age of your emotive choice here] year old girl is of a mind to buy a dildo, then she will a) have to afford one. b) have the desire to obtain and buy one.

If those criteria are achieved then wild horses won’t stop her getting a dildo and frigging herself stupid. It’s not like it’s drugs or booze, for fucks sake.

Focus on bringing her up with a strong self-esteem and a confidence in her body so that she doesn’t feel that its enjoyment is “dirty” or “sinful”

Bleating about some packaging on a dildo being a bit nice, that your daughter *might* like, marks you out as a dad who might wish to focus on the more important things in his daughters life.

AdCunt
Who the fuck are you to tell me how to bring up my kids?
This was a debate about packaging, labeling and selling sex toys at a local retail level.

Harry, maybe if you took the time to attend a school run sex-ed seminar with your daughter you’d realise how much masturbation is a part of teenager’s lives – male and female. And this is not to insinuate that your daughter does this. But a lot of kids her age (and much younger) do. Fact.

Some educators in the UK and Europe even encourage teenagers to use apparatus if they feel the need to. Teenagers have higher levels of hormones than adults, and it’s deemed better that they explore their bodies with a sex toy than with another unprotected kid.

But of course in Australia, the laws mean kids will have to use old fashioned things, like hands, vegetables, mobile phones… Just because you ban the marketing doesn’t mean you can get rid of the problem.

I just hope your daughter isn’t online reading this thread Harry! Fruity language there!

Oh Harry,

What a charming chap you are.

You’re the one that chose to validate your view by mentioning your daughter and her age. Not me.

You’re the one trying to impose your warped logic, morals and judgement with no support other than “will no-one think of the children.” Not me.

You’re the one who has destroyed any semblance of a valid argument with such fine manners, temperament and mroeover no support for your sad argument.

Hence, you have demonstrated with a staggering clarity that you almost certainly are the biggest issue in your daughter’s life.

So toddle along now and learn how to be a better person, a better parent and do spare the name-calling when you’re exposed as an idiotic wowser.

AdRunt
Strongs words from a man that posts boldly from behind a screen name.

adgrunt: “why is it so terrible that she should want or use one?” – because its illegal

Joey,

I asked why it’s so terrible. Not what the law is.

It’s not as if the law is stopping, or designed to stop, kids wanking, is it?

Harry,

You are Harry who, exactly?

You’re as anonymous as me. Could you stop embarrassing yourself now dear.

If you want to check out a great sex toy that ‘hits the spot’ with design packaging and a stylish and natural way to appeal to females check out http://leafvibes.com/
Think you missed the mark guys.

Is it just me . . . this product seems to be without any female perspective in either its design or marketing. Mostly its the lady-brain/hormones that supplies the necessary erotic charge.

Sex toys aimed at ‘vibrator virgins’ is very confusing as you can see. People understand “vibrators for virgins” instead of “Sex toys aimed at people who have never tried a vibrator before”. Hopefully, they are not using this expression anywhere else otherwise it will be a PR disaster!

What a load of wank