‘We used to mail every Australian, alive or dead, often’, says Amex digital marketing chief

Jeffrey Evans

Jeffrey Evans

The relationship between IT and marketing departments has transformed from “adversarial” to one of close collaboration, while the scattergun approach to marketing is history, according to American Express’ head of global digital marketing.

Speaking on a panel at an Oracle Marketing Cloud event where  companies outlined some of fundamental changes that have impacted the industry Jeffrey Evans said marketing and IT have patched up their differences and are now “speaking a common language”.

Evans told the discussion that the biggest change has seen Amex end its mass approach to marketing  – “we used to mail everyone in Australia, alive or dead, often” – and begin to use data and analytics.

“For us, what has changed the most is that gut feel has left the room,” he said. “The batch and blast mentality has gone. We used to mail everyone in Australia alive or dead, often, and create this horrendous experience. Now our engagement size is a lot smaller but yet the conversion and returns are a lot higher. It’s being smarter about who you are targeting.  That’s been the biggest change.”

Asked about marketing’s relationship with IT, Evans said: “We went from adversarial, where we were fighting each other, through to now where we are the first people in the room and IT have a seat at the table with us.”

Keiron Devlin

Keiron Devlin

The two departments began speaking a “common language”, he said, as both began to understand each other and their “key drivers”.

“That’s when we started to see the change,” Evans told delegates.

Telstra general manager customer communications Keiron Devlin said more time is spent with data analysts “interpreting data” verses five years ago “when I don’t think I ever had a conversation with a data analyst”.

Martyn Raab, director commercial, business development and CRM at Network Ten, told the discussion that one of the biggest changes is “how marketing is executed”.

“A lot of organisations are moving away from a campaign-based approach to an always-on approach,” he said, adding that Ten uses social media channels to communicate “which you can’t switch off”.

Skill shortages were identified as one of the problem areas in the industry with Evans stressing that companies need to make themselves appealing to potential  digital experts, something of a “challenge” for Amex.

“One of the things that is increasingly difficult as an organisation is the need to make yourself attractive to the digital talent that is out there,” he said. “One of the challenges we have as a company with 164 years of history is that are we seen as a leading innovator? We are working closely to make sure that from a leadership perspective the leaders are embracing this digital-first mindset.”

Martyn Raab

Martyn Raab

He added that the complexities surrounding marketing meant it was no longer regraded as the “arts and crafts department as some of our unlearned colleagues would unkindly label us”.

Despite the rapid rate of change, Raab told the panel that the fundamentals of marketing have not changed.

“But it’s definitely much tougher and more complex. There is more noise and technology and the way people communicate is more complicated. So it’s harder to reach people in a more efficient way, so we rely on more automation,” he said. “[My advice would be] don’t bite off more than you can chew. It’s better to do a couple of channels well than doing them all badly.”

Devlin added: “It is more complicated but in the complexity I see the opportunity. I wouldn’t have it any other way. The things that we get to work on every day and the opportunity that is there for us to go and build out and deliver against are fantastic.”

Steve Jones


Get the latest media and marketing industry news (and views) direct to your inbox.

Sign up to the free Mumbrella newsletter now.



Sign up to our free daily update to get the latest in media and marketing.