Scumbag theft

It’s extremely simple. The consumer base has a need not being filled. Legislation can not keep up with technology and pursuing that line will do little to change behaviour. Actually work to fill what consumers want and they’ll take it up. Piracy is easier than paying. Make a paid service at easy as piracy. That means wide selections of material available when people want that’s not tied to overly restrictive playback DRM (either proprietary hardware or software). Steam and iTunes have done wonders to curb game and music piracy and now video distributors need to step up their game.

Dear “large media companies”

” the film industry has faced a great many changes in its more than century-long history. We’ve seen it change from silent to talk, black-and-white to colour, cinema to VHS, and chemical tape to digits on a chip.” – and the film industry resisted every one of these changes with similar rhetoric.

Please make your content for sale, and stop making the small percentage that is for sale so unattractive compared to the alternative even leaving price issues out of it.

Don’t put region controls on DVDs.

Don’t put compulsory anti-theft ads on DVDs which lecture people who have paid for the content, are never seen by those who don’t, and which often scare children. Don’t make us watch ads for other movies (disabling skip ahead) – yes I’m looking at you Disney.

Don’t restrict online sales by geolocking.

Don”t make online copies more expensive than DVDs which come with extra content.

Don’t price goods so that non-US buyers are punished irrespective of where the USD is in relation to local currency.

Do release content simultaneously around the world. Don’t talk up the product globally on Facebook and Twitter and then refuse to sell it to 2/3 of the globe.

Don’t sell compressed digital music at a higher rate than having uncompressed music posted to you on DVD.

Please honour the creators of digital media by labelling it with its writers and composers, instead of seeing these people as irrelevant in the presentation and sale of content.

Please stop releasing eBooks of OCR-ed text with more spelling and layout errors than a monkey would produce at a word–processor.

If you’re a global media company with fingers in every publishing medium, why do you consider it OK to relay the release of a TV show or topical release, yet distribute magazine and newspaper content into the same market that discusses those releases, even to the point of providing spoilers on the cover of the magazines?

Please demonstrate some joined-up thinking on these issues.

You don’t have to pay to use torrent software.

You can also check the reliability of a torrent based on the comments and uploader.

And it really does suck that we have to wait for American films like the Avengers even though it was released here first. Your such an excellent journalist!

You must be talking about smaller scale films like Joss Whedon’s Cabin in the Woods which only got released at one cinema in Australia…

If you do abit of research you’ll find alot of films benefit from torrents… eg: The man from earth, zeitgeist.

As for downloading Australian films… (which I can only assume you were implying), when was the last time you downloaded a DVDrip of an Australian film before it came to the cinemas, or so that you didn’t have to go to the cinemas… oh that’s right. First cinema… then DVD.

Welcome to the brave new world! Where artists might have to survive off people admiring their work FOR FREE! Oh no! It was never about the expression itself, and they’re will be no way for them to live now that they’ll be horribly poor!

Here’s a cool theory of copyright… Creative Commons… seems far more beneficial for society and the artist… though they’re may be less wealth from it, (which is why your probably not mentioning it.)

I proudly visit the cinema and video store weekly. I also download movies likes its going out of fashion.

I sincerely hate your article, and hope you crawl into a hole and think about things a little longer.

Hi Mr Williams

F*ck your slow shitty business model and your greedy exploitation of Aussie consumers.

Yes, there are legal alternatives and they crap all over anything NewsLtd offers, but I have to get around geo-blocking to access them.

Why the hell is that? Am I a second class world citizen?

No, I don’t want to watch funeral insurance ads ad nauseum with my expensive six month old content – I want to pay reasonably to stream it when it’s available, ad free.

And to propose the criminalisation of filesharing so you can squeeze us harder… You, sir, are a wretched, greedy beast.

He has a patchy view of history.
Shakespeare stole many lines, plots and concepts from his contemporaries, and Dickens, was truly shafted from the US’s weak copyright laws, but was he really impoverished? The majority of pirated material is very popular material and I would like Kim to show us the percentage all of his favourite films make on the general flood of Dark night, which people have seen in record numbers, in the cinema and will do so again from iTunes or Netflix.

You can’t stop the drug trade by criminalising the use of drugs and you wont stop the illegal downloads of copyrighted entertainment by banning torrents.

Making your TV programs available worldwide, for a fee, at the same time-everywhere, will do it, since there is immediate access to the content by an eager audience willing to pay the producers for it so long as they get it now. They’ll even sit through your sh**y ads to see it now.

And the Pirates? well you just fixed all the movie addicts, the pirate sites have no audience for the porn and viagra ads, so they’ll go find something else to do. I promise you, make Netflix and Hulu available to an Australian audience at a reasonable fee and piracy will be greatly reduced.

So why, in the face of the obvious, will content producers not make content widely available across borders for a fee to willing consumers?

Oh, and it bears repeating:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

When my choice is to:
1. avoid going online or run around going “Lalalalalala” with my fingers in my ears and my gaze averted to avoid story ruining spoilers for a television program i really enjoy and have invested time in… while i wait and wait and wait for it to finally be shown some time later at a specific time not of my own choosing, that i have to make sure i rearrange my life around to witness…
Or
2. go online and torrent the thing, have it in minutes at top quality and then be able to partake in online discussions about it, consume the additional media etc etc and watch the damn thing uninterrupted when it suits Me

THEN YOUR BUSINESS MODEL IS THE FAILURE HERE.

If your product can match the pirated product offering then i would gladly pay it:
Global release at the same time.
Good Quality
Device agnostic.

Fucking simple, do that and i will throw my money at you.

Instead you’re all too busy running around trying to feather the pockets of those who add no value to the product and treating us all like criminal even when we DO make a point of paying for stuff, because i dont know about you, but i resent having to sit through unskippable piracy warnings on a product i bloody well paid for.
That issue alone often drives me to download stuff i have already paid for just so i dont have to be scolded any time i want to watch it.

Does he think that calling copyright infringement ‘theft’ is actually going to convince anyone it is?

Kim loves a good rant when it’s one way. How about an actual response to Dick Smith’s enquiries, here: http://www.dicksmithfoods.com......m-williams

(no prizes for guessing that this comment will probably be censored)

Very funny coming from an organisation that (allegedly- don’t want to get sued) engaged in the wholesale destruction of other pay-tv companies by pirating their security cards. Truly incredible.

yes Dave The Happy Singer, he does think that will work, partly because the scary video preceding all DVDs legally purchased or hired keep reminding us that watching downloaded movies is akin to mugging grannies in the streets and shooting police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

Piracy duplicates content.
Theft does not.

Kim, when an industry calls a large proportion of their customers thieves and seeks legal redress (asking governments to increase regulation and control) to force their customers into line we’re not witnessing market failure, we’re witnessing corporate failure.

It is no longer commercially viable to charge premium prices for product by creating artificial scarcity except if you, like DeBeers, are dealing with a physical and difficult to replicate product. This business model is dead for digital goods. Find a new one.

The entertainment industry had a good century. The cost of producing their product was often high, but so was the cost of distributing it and the barriers to individuals distributing their own content. That meant producers could offset the high production costs by charging premium prices to the conglomerates who owned the distribution networks – who then passed the cost on to consumers.

That century is now over. 2.5 billion people are able to create entertainment content and distribute it. They don’t need production crews, television stations or wholesale networks.

Yes we have amateur content and professional content. Some of the market chooses one type, some another.

However the case for restricting access in order to artificially raise prices is no longer sound.

I’m sorry to say it but humans don’t NEED movies, we don’t NEED TV dramas and we certainly don’t NEED reality TV – we already have reality.

You provide an ‘entertainment’ service. One that allows us to fill in the hours we won through the 8hr day and 5hr week.

However it is only one of many things people could be doing. if your prices are too high or your goods too unavailable, people will either find ways around your systems, or do other things.

The entertainment industry will change dramatically over the next century. Studios will fail and television stations will merge or go out of business.

But these are mainly the distribution businesses – who vertically integrated with content production to produce economies of scale in a high-cost distribution world. They needed to product content to a certain level and for certain audiences in order to justify their huge legacy investments in distribution infrastructure and bandwidth.

The roots of the entertainment industry – talented people creating great content to make people feel – are not destroyed by the digital revolution, but they are transformed.

We return to the days of live performances and low-cost productions, with the bonus of low-cost distribution networks which significantly reduces barriers to content being created and creators being rewarded, modestly, for their value.

This will remained interspersed with high cost product, but there will be less of it and it will work on a volume rather than a premium pricing distribution model.

Content creators and performers will still have fans (I note that distributors don’t have fans, just fair-weather friends), and many will be able to self-fund and operate their own ‘channels’ without needing a deep-pocketed investor or distribution network to ‘commercialise’ their work.

Sure there will be bad content – there always has been – and there will be more of it. However there will also be more nuggets of gold for those who wish to sift through it.

Sorry Kim, but the days of delaying release of content to suit the wishes of programmers are over. The days of deciding when and if people can access content through ‘catch-up TV’ are also over. The industry is not in control, the market is (and sorry but you’re also not special – you’re not the only industry to be struggling with this radical change).

Internet access has become crucial to many people. The idea of cutting peoples’ internet access due to alleged copyright infractions (NOT ‘thieving’ ) is one that seriously risks damaging peoples’ welfare and lifelihoods in ways disproportionate to their alleged acts.

In short any approach of this time to restrict or deny people access to a medium because of how they are alleged to have used it is a stand-over tactic and blackmail that says to the community:

“If you don’t respect an entertainment providers’ right to prevent you from accessing content at a reasonable price or time in order to generate profits that get shipped overseas – then we will prevent you from accessing support services, your bank, your family and your government.”

I can just see, thirty years ago, a TV station deciding that to stop users who were using video recorders to tape shows and share them with friends they would cut off their right to access television at all. How well would that have worked, and how would the community have felt about it? (and the TV is far less important than the internet as it offers a very limited set of content defined by a limited number of people).

The market has spoken and attempting to use government to set restrictions on peoples’ behaviour for the benefit of a specific industry is not a workable long-term strategy.

Adapt or die.

And if you’re going to die – do it fast, so all of us can get on with building a better digital entertainment future without the anchor and rancour of the past.

I wholeheartedly agree with Spack Jarrow + FredFrood.

“You can’t stop the drug trade by criminalising the use of drugs and you wont stop
the illegal downloads of copyrighted entertainment by banning torrents.

Making your TV programs available worldwide, for a fee, at the same time-everywhere, will do it, since there is immediate access to the content by an eager audience willing to pay the producers for it so long as they get it now. They’ll even sit through your sh**y ads to see it now.

And the Pirates? well you just fixed all the movie addicts, the pirate sites have no audience for the porn and viagra ads, so they’ll go find something else to do. I promise you, make Netflix and Hulu available to an Australian audience at a reasonable fee and piracy will be greatly reduced.

So why, in the face of the obvious, will content producers not make content widely available across borders for a fee to willing consumers?”

So right. Many a time have I tried to stream something legally only to find it’s not available in Australia. If your consumers have a different demand than you can fill, then you should adjust your business model to meet those demands – THAT’S YOUR JOB. Take full responsibility for it instead of shifting the blame back onto consumers, they’re going to go to someone who does fulfil their needs.

In 2010 Fox’s Filmed entertainment division posted a $1.3b operating profit, an increase of 53% on the previous year.

It seems that when people such as Mr Williams make these statements and we respond by saying it is because they are not supplying what the consumer needs, it perpetuates an idea they are suffering because of piracy. They are not. Their increasing profits prove this.

It would seem plenty of people are going to the movies, buying DVDs and paying for subscription television.

In future we should just ignore these petty tyrants who wish to control every aspect of the media and its distribution.

I am about Kim’s age and it is embarrassing how he is conducting himself. He can rant all he wants, yelling about like a bald old fool at young people to “stop thief!!” will have zero effect. And any lobbying he can do (which he can) to stiffen legal frameworks will fail as piracy is here to stay. With tongue in my cheek, let me say I will keep supporting Burmese refugees (who work) in Thai copy shops in Phuket and continue to buy my 200 to 300 copy DVDs each trip. Excellent quality too (unlike crap ones in parts of China and Bali). Oh – unless I can buy the same DVDs here in Australia for about 3 bucks a pop. Then I will buy them here. And yes – i can live without my 10 favourite books, poems and films. Yawwwwwn. Even assuming they would never have been made. (i like his inclusion of tax payer funded films too – they get made no matter how bad they are or what the “business” model is)

hi there Fucking Amazed

your analogies don’t apply, I’m afraid.

ferrarris are individual objects, not comparable to digital copies which cost nothing to the maker to download other than the server space and bandwidth. the original being copied (you don’t actually download it, you make a local copy) making a Ferrari costs many thousands of dollars, selling another download costs virtually no more per copy whether it is ten sales or a million.
Taking the ferarri for a spin means no one else can have it, again, does not relate to digital downloads where 1000 people can have exactly the same thing and not reduce the number of downloads available.

again, theft means the object is not available to the owner as the theif has removed it. Copyright infringement is not theft, the only argument you can make is that the artists don’t get their share from the sale. I would argue that by denying me the ability to buy a copy, teh distributors are also denying that artist their income.

Again, make it available worldwide, at a fair price (meaning roughly the same cash value here as in the US) and the pirates are denied their market and the artist gets their share of the proceeds.

no no fucking rocks. what’s your excuse?

Kim is right about one thing: the new digital age highlights that changes need to be made, and no, it’s not from a legislative point of view. It’s from a supply side.

Until Australia catches up to the offerings and practices in the states, there is no other alternative. Look at the tripe that is broadcasting on air currently: The Voice, X Factor, Big Brother, The Shire. They don’t inspire confidence in Australian broadcasting and leave much to be desired.

Foxtel is hardly a viable alternative. Pay $50+ per month to watch repetitive programming with non-stop advertisements. Sounds good to me!!

Media companies need to properly think about how they can engage a new generation of audience who want more content, less advertisements and an easy way to get it. As it stands, torrents are all we have.

To all,
I could wind back the clock about 10 years and find this speech word for word, but out of the mouth of a US or European based global music exec. Well, without Kim’s top 10 movie list – sure his advisers told him to throw that in as a big speech on piracy tends to put most of the audience asleep.

What is hardly touched on are the actions the video content companies are taking to put legal, viable alternatives into the marketplace. It took the record labels a while, fooling with their own DRM initiatives (believe me I was there) before jumping on the Apple bandwagon. A la carte downloads of every song on an album for $0.99 a piece. And all with CD burning allowed-well that was before they dumped the Apple DRM and eventually just went to open AAC/MP3 files.

I have to wonder if other content industries are destined to go down all of the same paths, even though they’ve already sent the canary (e.g. music) down into the coal mine-and it did nearly die…

But the music industry is now leaping back with a vengence with digital revenues now surpassing physical in many territories. Digital music content is everywhere (Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Vevo, Spotify, Artlist sites, Label sites etc…).

It’s OK to lecture the masses on the “correct” behaviour. But let’s be very careful not to fall into the trap of the British cricket board, when confronted with a young Mr. Packer and a new form of cricket 🙂

Happy to chat further with any looking for ideas or assistance.

Scott Hochgesang
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotthochgesang
shochgesan@aol.com

Defending a broken, 20th century business model that doesn’t give customer want they want, when they want it makes absolutely no sense.

@Fucking Amazed

“So the logic seems to run that because the consumers need is not being met it is OK to steal it by whatever means available.”

It’s not stealing…. What, do you want to outlaw libraries as well?

Nor is OK for Hollywood commercial interests to f*ck-up the internet because it doesn’t fit their outdated business model.

We didn’t let the night-soil carters ban toilets because it robbed them off a job.

Different era. Same shit.

Interesting how angry this makes people, but I guess we live in an angry world now. At a guess I’m closer to Kim Williams age than most posting here but the heat so quickly generated is alarming & I thought I was supposed to be the angry old man!

Many valid points have been made on both sides (with varying levels of hysteria). It’s true that the market has spoken (if occasionally in tongues)- there is no doubting the frustrations of waiting for local release, negotiating geo-locks, being over-charged, & putting up with nanny-state bull on every DVD, but downloading without paying is still essentially dishonest & in the long run it’s going to cost (be it film, music, book publishing, games etc). I have friends of all ages who have proudly proclaimed their download of the latest show from o/s for years, & I have made no bones of my discomfort. Sure- there’ll be new models, unarguably production values will change (we’re seeing that already) & new opportunities will spring up. We might even return, as has been suggested, to a more ‘cottage industry’ approach (already happening)- good for content?

I run a specialist film industry support business that, like others, is arguably directly affected by the flow-on of pirating. I am also an artist in my own right, although in another field, so I am watching these developments with interest- torrent sites, music streaming & so on. We are already seeing the reduction in budgets affecting our ability to meet needs & find ourselves constantly educating producers about the realities. Of course this isn’t all the fault of illegal downloading but it’s not helping. Sure we can look forward to a brave new world but frankly it doesn’t appeal much if the basic infrastructure can’t survive. I guess musicians can go back to busking (most I know don’t make anything like the living you could 20 years ago anyway), film-makers & content providers can build a shed & be real artists. There’s always sport- that’ll continue to attract the ‘appropriate’ funding.

I feel that the root of this is that new technology along with lifestyle & the demands on our time have created an increasingly frantic & self-centered world where everything is wanted NOW & preferably at little or no cost. We need to slow down before we all disappear up our own fundaments & end up swimming in a sea of mediocrity. I’ll agree that some real changes are needed but, in the meantime, let’s not throw the baby out with bathwater folks.

@Fucking Amazed – It’s nothing like that at all. A more accurate analogy would be, you wanted a Ferrari (even though you already own a car you paid for); you had access to a 3D printer and copied one.

Now you have a Ferrari – the manufacturer is not missing one; you already paid for a car, so it’s not like you haven’t spent money with a car manufacturer and, the money the Ferrari is worth you never had, so Ferrari aren’t missing out on that, either.

Fucking Amazed, that Ferrari is probably only sitting in Eastern Suburbs dealer because poor CEOs can’t afford it since we all downloaded episodes of Game Of Thrones

@ Spack Jarrow
While a Ferrari is not the same as a digital copy, Fucking Amazed’s point is illustrated fine with what he has said. That is, that commenters have justified their breaking of the law based on the market not providing what they want at the price they want. The Ferrari illustration is a great example where we could say since I can’t afford one, I will take it

If you want to differentiate based on whether or not it is a physical object, that’s fine. But that doesn’t make it any less of an act of breaking the law. Nor does it take away from the fact that you have taken something for nothing that others have put hard work into. Neither does it change the fact that it is theft.

Yes, copyright infringement is theft in the colloquial sense of the word (not in the legal definition). You don’t need to have a physical object for it to be theft. Theft is just taking (or indeed copying) something that is someone else’s without their permission. In this way copyright infringement is a type of theft. The lawyers might need to get technical on the differences. But, non-lawyers can talk about ‘theft’ of intellectual property for instance.

Further, while there is no additional direct cost to the studios for each copy made where copyright infringement occurs, the studios (and the bands/record labels for music) put a huge upfront investment which is based on the hope of selling a certain number. This is something that indirectly hurts the TV companies (and broader media market) too. If people are watching pirated content, they are likely to watch less TV, hence less advertising dollars.

I think all this proves is that if given easy opportunity and little to no chance of getting caught certain people will choose to pay nothing for a product or service. This is probably not all that surprising but I think it is then a bit rich to blame the producers of the content that you are taking for free because you don’t like their business model.

Sounds like people trying to post rationalise the fact that they are stealing something to me.

Hahaha…

Hilarious coming from a company that deliberately strips other websites (including Youtube) and FTA stations of their video content unlawfully and reposts it as their own.

Clean up your own house before you start casting stones.

James

Fucking amazed I agree with you. The rationale for most of the comments here seems to be, ‘I want it now so i’ll take it and fuck everyone else’. Wake up people. Your mistaken sense of entitlement has blinded you to the fact that it’s theft, plain and simple. You may be able to rationalise it to yourselves as something else but you’re wrong. There’s no justification for it. No matter how aggrieved you feel by the ‘terrible’ situation you’re in. My god, you poor things, waiting a month to watch a show when your mate in NYC saw it yesterday. Or worse still having to pay for something. That’s soooooo 2000, right? Kim’s analogy between the London rioters and illegal downloads is spot on. The actions of both groups are driven a lack of morals, a twisted sense of entitlement, a complete lack of regard for the people they are taking from (for shop owners read actors) and a myopic view of the impact that their actions will have on rest of society. Funny thing though, a lot of the rioters got banged-up. I wonder how you guys will feel when your shithouse arguments get shown up in court – ironically by the same laws that you’d use to your advantage if someone stole your beloved ipad on the train – for the complete and utter bollocks they are and you get sentenced or fined. I bet you will wet your pants with fear.

@Scott Hochgesang: “Digital music content is everywhere (Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Vevo, Spotify, Artlist sites, Label sites etc…).”

It’s still poorly distributed – the difference between Apple and Spotify catalogs country to country is enormous, even within adjacent European countries. Australia misses out on even more (and seems to pay more per unit for the smaller catalog). If you live overseas and want to buy Australian content, then you’ll find very little of it in foreign stores (bricks&mortar or digital). Even if you buy from the Australian Apple store, its terms are clear that if you’re not physically present in Australia then you’re not allowed to buy from them.

As for those who complain that actors are being deprived – then I must say that members of the entertainment industry that I’ve met are some of the most eager consumers of downloaded content I’ve ever encountered. I once visited the home of a very wealthy Academy Award winner who had an astounding library of torrented movies.

An incredibly interesting argument unfolding.

Despite my youth and my age groups tendancy towards illegal downloading, it is an undeniable fact that it is in fact stealing and is in fact illegal. No amount of blaming their business model can change that.

That said, this is a problem that needs an answer but unfortunately it doesn’t lie in lobbying government, placing restrictions on the NBN or public awareness campaigns. If you honestly think thats the answer then i have no idea how you are running a company like News. The answer to the problem lies in letting go of an outdated business model and embracing the new world we live in.

It is estimated that Game of Thrones and How I Met Your Mother are the most torrented TV shows, together being downloaded 6.7 million times per episode.

I’m not much of an economist, but making those episodes available online at even just $1 per episode would give you an extra revenue of…. CRAPLOADS OF MONEY.

If you owned a startup and you had 6.7 million people wanting to pay you for your product EVERY SINGLE WEEK, Sean Parker would be banging down your front door with his oversized cheque book.

The rise of digital has changed the way everyone consumes content, and i’m sorry if it doesn’t suit your current business model… But your not the only company in the world that has been affected by the change, and plenty of them with fewer resources than you have successfully adapted. The way I see it you have two options: Adapt or Die.

@Aaron

“it is an undeniable fact that it is in fact stealing and is in fact illegal.”

Very deniable. One, it’s not stealing, at worst, it’s copyright infringement.

Which comes to point two, “illegal,” not necessarily, depends on the law of the particular jurisdiction. Commercial counterfeiting is often illegal, but non-profit copyright infringement usually isn’t. It’s then up to the copyright holder to enforce their copyright under common law.

Hollywood would like to alter this and have law enforcement waste resources for them, enforcing their copyright, which is why they spend so much money lobbying/bribing various governments.

Your statement is complete fail.

If the media wants taxpayer-funded law enforcement agencies to enforce anti-piracy actions, maybe the media should be asked to pay a special levy? I don’t want my tax dollars being wasted prosecuting some 10-year-old kid for watching Thrones on utube…

Couldn’t agree more – and while we at the NBN we might sue Hiolden for having cars that bank robbers use to get away with full of cash. That might slow the robbers down sufficiently to be caught.

One wonders if the CEO of News Ltd has noticed the liberal use of youtube videos of film clips and television material embedded in opinion piece’s on News’ very own “The Punch” opinion site.

I’m not on the side of stealing creative content or the thinking of those who believe they’re entitled to ‘share’ content for free.

But hold on, this cry is coming from Foxtel, a service that operates on a model which charges the consumer a high subscription rate and then sells its product again to advertisers. With many of their packaged channels carrying as many commercials as the ‘free to air’ rivals. And then they expect viewers to pay more if they choose to watch their premium content.

Rather than plead for protection, maybe they should ask themselves why they expect the consumer to fund a second rate product.

> If you don’t own that original copy [when you reproduce a work] then you are committing both copyright infringement and theft

You are never committing theft (which is illegal) by downloading or copying content. You may be infringing copyright (which in most typical cases isn’t illegal, though it may be tortious).

The copyright act makes clear under what circumstances copyright infringement is an offence. You don’t actually have to make this stuff up, you know. You can read it.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/l.....tml#s132aa

> I wonder how you would feel if you put (say) an original song of yours up on the web and someone else ripped it off and made a fortune based on it.

I’d be delighted. Fill your boots. All my songs are CC-BY-SA.

@Fucking Amazed

Where, what jurisdiction? You are aware that laws vary from state to state and country to country I hope. You are aware that non-profit copyright infringement is NOT a criminal offence in most Australian states and territories? Otherwise Mr Williams would be not be crying like a baby just before a major Australian Law Reform review of copyright.

And as stated before, have my writing is copied all the time. Gained a much bigger audience from it. Yes, I’m 100% ok with that and my first novel will probably be going up on the Promo-bay (if it’s accepted) so I can reach a daily audience of 5 million+.

And it’s not the artists who tend to whine, it’s the exploiting publishing houses/record companies/distributors/advertisers (who I like to think of as the parasites) – are you in one of the latter categories?

@ fucking Amazed

You make great points, FA, and I grant you that having a copy of something I didn’t pay for is copyright infringement (not theft, and yes, it has been defended in court in that manner) but no-one’s _really_ defending taking whatever you like from torrents.

My main point is, yes artists deserve to be paid for their work, and I ask you to re-read the comment from Mike at No2, so why not make the content available worldwide for a reasonable fee? I think that is a valid question. In particular, when, for example, it is available on netFlix in LA for $10 but I can’t even get a sniff of it here. Why is that?

Why do those creators not deserve the ability to earn income from that from people outside the US? What is the point of reading about how awesome this stuff is and not let me buy it from you because of some outdated concept of borders? No one has given me a real explanation for that other than “that’s the way it is”. Well, fuck me but they’re supposed to be clever people, so I can only assume they like it the way it is else they’d find a way to make it happen. Slavery, equal rights, plagues, cold, all were equally “that way” until people said it wasn’t a good idea to be that way.

And most importantly, why waste taxpayers money on defending commercial enterprise copyright when there already i a mechanism for that in the courts and instead use your time to find a way to sell the stuff to an eager audience ready to pay for an easy way of getting it?

Imagine if you will your favourite 10 pieces of art.

Now imagine yourself living in a country where multiple dictators (TV networks) prevent you from experiencing that until they want you to experience it, or not at all. In fact, all they want you to view is their own propaganda which is at best, utter crap.

These dictators sit back patting themselves on the back with how great their content is, and tell themselves everyone is watching it via a measurement they haven’t changed since the 60’s.

Now imagine if you will all your friends from around the world telling you on social networks how great that art is and that you should watch it. There is no sign of this piece of art being available for you to experience any time. But the world keeps reminding you just how far behind Australia is with content.

Imagine if you will that you had access to the world and thought that you shouldn’t;t have to put up with crap like “Farmer wants a Wife”, “The Shire” or even “being lara who cares” during the week (because you’d rather head butt a spinning blender blade than watch that), because they are some great shows outside this country. Great shows that maybe the networks could but instead of putting money into recycled crud like Big Brother of all things. Putting Australian TV back another 10 years, when we all moved on a long time ago.

Then imagine yourself giving FTA one last try by turning on to one of the only HD channels (that 90% of the time isn’t HD. I mean M*A*S*H on HD, really
?) and seeing your favourite series about a motorcycle gang, and then being told it’s all new, like you’re an idiot who doesn’t know it’s 2 seasons behind the rest of the world or is part of the 1% who doesn’t have access to a computer or mobile device.

Then imagine trying some of the FTA’s online content. Then you realise that content is even further behind than the live content that was on a few days ago. Making it seem like making the content available straight after it’s been aired like the rest of the world, impossible.

In the end the media companies must realise and act like this is now a world market. Making content available to the world is the opportunity and the right model and content proves that people will happily pay.

This is a world where we want it now and we can get it now, very very easily.

It’s not like Netflix declines our credit cards or iTunes stops us from not selecting our country of origin as the USA.

We are all sick and tired of being denied quality and served crap.

Until we get legal access to quality content in this country, the people will copy, pirate, download, subscribe or anything to get it.

Bit rich to bang on about “distribution” and “fairness”. C’mon, everybody knows the main reason for piracy: it’s free and easy.

Companies do the same, sometimes the same media companies whining about piracy. How many companies have tried to skirt regulations? Hacking scandals? Defamation suits? Screwing employees over? Everybody wants a bargain, and if there’s little to no consequences…

Hi Kim

Some of the biggest scumbags I have ever had the mis-fortune to meet are working in the marketing department at Foxtel, so it takes one to know one.

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The reality is long past the moral argument. We can argue that it’s theft or whatever and the dictators can legislate until the cows come home. But the world has moved on and will forever and a day keep finding out how to get the content it wants for free.

My argument is there may not be such a massive issue in Australia for the media companies if they actually kept up with the rest of the world and offered content to us on new business models.

Piracy won’t be stopped, just reduced. There will always be those who don;t want to pay. There are however many of us that are willing to pay a reasonable amount to get current, decent content.

We need only be an island geographically in the internet age.

Great article, great comments.

I think I’ll cut and paste some of it for my media assignment…

Today I’ve tried to buy 3 different albums reviewed in the popular press*. All are out of my reach, because my IP address or credit card address is in the wrong country.

There’s three artists not well served, whose chance to sell their music has been ROBBED from them by their publishers.

It’s all very well for Kim Williams to go on about his favourite set of movies drawn from different times and countries. His access to them is funded by everybody else being constrained to buy from the small pool of media that his peers deem suitable for us.

I find it funny and embarrassing that Kim Williams and lets face it – the majority of his generation criticising “pirated” content, seem to willingly forget Pirate Radio.

I’m Generation Y, but at least I seem to have the sense to realise that this is not a new problem. If anything, I could argue that the ideas and concepts of “scumbag thievery” started with Mr Williams and his generation, when they made Radio Luxemburg et al so popular.

How easy it is to forget when you have the opportunity to shake your finger at the grandkids.

Great comments from everyone, lots of good points, can’t resist the chance to add my 2 cents.

There are lots of things that drive people to piracy, for me the biggest temptations is that it’s just dam easier. And when someone is trying to access entertainment aka recreation… easier is better. Morality, Legality, doesn’t matter to most people. Make the legal right way the easier way and 90% of piracy will evaporate and you will be left with the defiant few of whom prosecution is the only deterrent.

This is the internet, stories of people getting sued and people screaming thief mean nothing, they are just more entertainment while you wait for your pirated material to finish downloading. Harp all you want, but you’ll change nothing. Even if you are in fact right, you will not change the reality of the situation that the world has changed and things like itunes which put a MASSIVE dent in piracy… why, because of ease of access are the way to go, all other avenues are distractions delaying the day when artists will get the money for the material they produce. This is the pragmatic view.

This article on Mashable highlights how broadcasting should be done.

http://mashable.com/2012/08/29.....australia/

In short: the new season of Doctor Who premiers this Sunday with ABC not showing it until the next weekend. To combat piracy, ABC have planned to show the new episode on their catch-up streaming, ABC iView just 50 minutes after it has aired in the UK.

Kim Williams, take notes.

Well said @Dim Williams.

The real discussion isn’t that copying and redistributing or selling films and programs is a breach of a legal structure, in this case copyright infringement, because I don’t think anyone here believes people have a right to do that. Even those who describe the ease of finding and downloading movies, equally describe their frustrations that the distributors allow it to be bought in one jurisdiction but not in another, for no discernible reason other than political borders.

That’s just obfuscation and FUD-fostering and distraction.

The point is, there is no technical reason a distributor cannot release original content for a fee, collect our credit card details to do so, have access to the demographic information that reveals, initiate direct contact with that consumer and open up more channels for sales and information, and enjoy the benefits of being plugged in directly to the customer.

The problem is, to do so requires dismantling the existing structure, and jumping into a new one, something the pioneers of the movie industry did with gusto, that the auteurs of the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, and 00’s embraced and rode, that the pioneers of popular music did in the 60’s and 90’s, that, in fact, every new tier of entertainment and artistic distribution did once a technology was released.

The possibilities the internet provides distributors is fantastic; all they have to do is loosen their ties and roll up their sleeves and embrace it for the partner it can be.

Kim and his bunch are the tail attempting to wag the dog, all we have to do is bark more eloquently, rather than shouting inanities and supporting the copyright infringers and eventually they’ll understand. We have our credit cards ready to pay you handsomely for high quality versions of your “fresh-off-the-editing-table” entertainment.

Why won’t you take our money?

To answer the question in your last paragraph, John Grono, easy.
Some viewers will wait for the broadcast version, as that fits their viewing preference, as many people I know don’t like to watch TV, even of a show they are eager to see ASAP, on a computer. So they wait for it to appear on the TV and can be advertised to. So income stream from there remains intact, although the advertiser has only an educated, polled guess as to viewer numbers and demographic.

Some viewers, in this case the die-hard Doctor fans who have difficulty waiting that week for the broadcast, would happily pay the cost of a movie ticket or two for the access to the series and see the program the same day it is released in the UK.

So revenue stream there as well.

Point is, there is a near-finite audience for any program, and the different types within that audience will do what they can to enjoy the experience in their own way. So the bleeding edgers will always want the program right away, if you offer the chance to have it, at high quality, with a bit of added value (e.g.: member only content, discounts on DVD packs, discussions, etc.) the torrents will be that little bit quieter, and the producers have a diversified revenue stream.

“…many people I know don’t like to watch TV, even of a show they are eager to see ASAP, on a computer…. ”

….

2012, streaming to telly from ‘puter (and vice versa) is piss-easy. And usually comes in a higher res than broadcast. So it’s better than broadcast telly.

And if you’re doing downloads and your silly telly/media player doesn’t support mp4, go buy a cheap, nasty Chinese player. They usually support all formats and don’t bother with nonsense like zoning and DRM.

Give me access to the TV shows i download illegally at the SAME time as the US, and i won’t need to download them in the first place.

SIMPLE AS THAT.

“Instead of reeling off a list of my favourite things, I’ll make a list of my top 10 favourite things.” Haha, awesome.

Great article, agree with your points.

Theft!? Theft?! from the company that regularly hacks people’s phones for text and voicemail. Careful where you throw those stones.